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  • Thoughts on the Panny GH4 compared to BMCC and BMPCC...

    yesterday, they officially announced the panasonic GH4 and I'd like to hear some of the thoughts from BMCC and BMPCC shooters.
    Personally, they are making a big deal about it but I think, based on the specs I've read, I am not so impressed and unless it is hacked by ML to have raw capacities, I don't think it is as much a game changer as the BMCC. But I may be wrong....what do you think?

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    They're very different cameras, with different selling points.

    In terms of 4K, the GH4 is half the price of the BM4K. It won't be anywhere near as gradeable as the BM4K, but if you can get your look in camera, it has a lot of plusses besides the price. Smaller form factor, great for anonymity and just look at those quadcopter 4K shots they're getting - try that on the BM4K! Higher frame rates are very desirable to a lot of people...

    But I agree with you that the BMCC is more of a gamechanger. Heck, I'm beginning to think the BMCC is the best value 4K camera on the market - even though it doesn't shoot 4K, uprezzing 2.5k uncompressed looks GREAT, with the added benefit of the greater DR.

    It's all good, and the GH4 is a wake-up call to DSLR makers in terms of 4K, the Canon 1DC was ridiculously overpriced.

    NAB will be very exciting - I wonder if BMD will announce a 4K version of their hyperdeck shuttle?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BM4EVER View Post
      … NAB will be very exciting - I wonder if BMD will announce a 4K version of their hyperdeck shuttle?
      I think they will, but when they ship anything is the wild card.
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      • #4
        Panasonic has spec wise done something right. I think people who only shot on video cameras and DSLRs will jump on this very quickly. 4K, high frame rates, pretty good stills camera, the option of the base with pro in and outputs... But just like BM4EVER says: The BMCC raw upscales so nicely to 4K if I need it. The in camera codecs are so good and convenient without an external base for it. Gearing the GH4 up for external 4K for 10bit 4:2:2? No thanks, I'm all good. It's enough with power and monitors on the BMCC, haha.

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        • #5
          12 stops DR is pretty compelling especially when it is hinted that the BMPC 4k is not quite 12 but more like 11.5 stops DR.
          If the GH4 rolling shutter improves which I'm sure it will over the GH3 and at $2000 plus cost of external recorder, BMPC 4k will need some serious price cut to consider.

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          • #6
            A. Reid and other outlets are saying that the quad core CPU of the new GH4 is 50% and will have a dramatic improvement on the rolling shutter. This camera is big news.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by innerspark View Post
              A. Reid and other outlets are saying that the quad core CPU of the new GH4 is 50% and will have a dramatic improvement on the rolling shutter. This camera is big news.
              If that is true, with flexiibility of the M43 adapter and metabone SB I would not miss the BMPC 4k apart from RAW

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hampus Lager View Post
                The in camera codecs are so good and convenient without an external base for it. Gearing the GH4 up for external 4K for 10bit 4:2:2? No thanks, I'm all good. It's enough with power and monitors on the BMCC, haha.
                I see it like this: you need an external monitor. Right? Be it an EVF or something a bit bigger. Today there are a couple of choices where good monitors are also recorders. Do you use an external monitor when shooting with bmcc?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BM4EVER View Post
                  ...It's all good, and the GH4 is a wake-up call to DSLR makers in terms of 4K, the Canon 1DC was ridiculously overpriced.
                  NAB will be very exciting - I wonder if BMD will announce a 4K version of their hyperdeck shuttle?
                  I agree! Here's a post I found about a rumored new dslr with global shutter capable of 2.5k video from canon
                  http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/01/c...ming-dslr-cr1/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by innerspark View Post
                    A. Reid and other outlets are saying that the quad core CPU of the new GH4 is 50% and will have a dramatic improvement on the rolling shutter. This camera is big news.
                    I'd like to add that it's a great improvement and definitely welcomed.

                    Though, it likely will not be a substitute for an actual global shutter (F55, B4K), or a mechanical shutter (F65 or Alexa XT Studio). Waving the camera around, handheld, etc... that's one thing, but the actual motion even in a still shot -- as subtle as it can be, changes with a mechanical or global shutter.

                    It may be one of those things that a lot of people, even filmmakers, cannot perceive so it wouldn't matter, on the other hand I know a lot of people that can see it.

                    Mileage may vary, it really has become a very key point for me, right up there with Dynamic Range believe it or not, in camera choice.

                    I do think that it will help the GH4, as the decreased rolling shutter in the Pocket Camera certainly makes for great motion rendition for the most part.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Taikonaut View Post
                      12 stops DR is pretty compelling especially when it is hinted that the BMPC 4k is not quite 12 but more like 11.5 stops DR.
                      If the GH4 rolling shutter improves which I'm sure it will over the GH3 and at $2000 plus cost of external recorder, BMPC 4k will need some serious price cut to consider.
                      Apologies for my double post, but since you're double-posting, too:

                      The GH4 a serious challenger to BMD? Not really.

                      The GH4 isn't shipping yet, and given Panasonic's previous sporadic shipping record, it might not be readily available for months in various parts of the world.

                      The GH4 body-only is primarily aimed at a different market than BMD's currently shipping cameras. There's some overlap, but not enough to pose competitive difficulties for BMD. Even if the GH4 sells in large quantities (which it might, especially compared to BMD cam sales) I don't think it'll make much difference to BMD cam sales or profitability. It's a big world; there's room for both.

                      The GH4 body-only will probably be relatively inexpensive. Because there's no 1 perfect camera suitable for every task, many people will buy it plus one or more other cameras.

                      The GH4's rolling shutter might be faster than the GH3 (remains to be seen), but it's still not a global shutter. We don't know if the GH4 includes RS flash-band suppression processing, which a global shutter cam doesn't need. A global shutter cam won't have any RS artifacts, none. The same can't be said of the GH4.

                      I'll bet you your favorite beverage that the BMPC-4K won't ever feature 60fps, and it won't get a price cut until a few months before BMD announces its replacement (which is BMD's normal product pricing pattern).

                      If the GH4's slow-mo features are important to you (and I agree they sound sweet), buy one! I probably will, too, eventually (after its normal price drop in several months).

                      But if you want the many good features in the BMPC-4K, then buy that, too.

                      Just as the GH3 was a good companion to the BMCC, BMPCC and BMPC-4K, the GH4 will be an even better companion.

                      So many good cams, so little time (and money) ...
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                      • #12
                        I didn't realize micro HDMI could support 4K transmission.

                        If it's possible to output 10-bit 4K from the Micro HDMI, then that does change at least the cost to get "good" 4K from the camera.

                        I don't doubt that BMD's already soon to announce a 4K Hyperdeck solution, as I believe they're probably one of the few companies with a 4K ProRes license (if it's needed).

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                        • #13
                          Some are saying $1300-1600 for the body, so it's conceivable that if BMD do announce the 4K hyperdeck you could get both for 2 grand-ish.

                          http://www.43rumors.com/gh4-gets-alr...en-and-norway/

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                          • #14
                            @PJDC did you really say "The GH4 isn't shipping yet, and given Panasonic's previous sporadic shipping record, it might not be readily available for months in various parts of the world." in comparison to a BlackMagic camera? Thank you for reminding me why I read this forum. SMILEY.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peter J. DeCrescenzo View Post
                              If the GH4's slow-mo features are important to you (and I agree they sound sweet), buy one! I probably will, too, eventually (after its normal price drop in several months).
                              However, keep in mind that the slo-mo functionality may be all via internal recording. Thus, all slow-motion clips will be locked in to 8-bit 4:2:0.

                              I had someone ask me for a recommendation on getting a Pocket Camera last week, and I told them to hold off on anything until I could give them a recommendation based on what came out about the GH4 (they currently have a GH3). After the announcement, I told them to get the Pocket Camera instead.

                              Why?

                              Two words: internal recording. The use of it was primarily going to be for chroma key shooting. Thus, Pocket Camera wins. Much cheaper and has Pro Res 4:2:2 internally. GH4 only has 4K, which is useless to them really (the company has a foot in both the SD and HD world currently).

                              They can be up and running (with batteries and media) for nearly the cost of the GH4 body alone.
                              Last edited by Gary Huff; 02-09-2014, 09:40 AM.

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