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  • #16
    Originally posted by Taikonaut View Post
    The GH5S is no free lunch when you consider the cost 2200 and if you want to turn it to into a professional setup you could be spending another 1350 for an Shogun Inferno for 10 bit 60fps recording and 650 on a Metabones SB totalling 4200 which can buy you an Ursa Mini 4.6k or even UMP that some dealer is offering.
    But you can say the same thing for the ursa, shoulder mounts, cfast cards, potentially a monitor. But of course you don't have to, just like the GH5s. Depends on what you need.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ryanite View Post
      But you can say the same thing for the ursa, shoulder mounts, cfast cards, potentially a monitor. But of course you don't have to, just like the GH5s. Depends on what you need.
      So with the GH5S you don't need a shoulder mount, SD card, potentially a monitor?
      What I'm really saying is with additional costs to get the GH5S theoretically to a professional level you might be able to buy a UMP instead.

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      • #18
        The GH5S is $2500. The UMP is $6000.

        There is no financial comparison in anyway you look at it unless you're intentionally trying to out-price the UMP with more accessories for the Panasonic while buying nothing for the Blackmagic.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by NorBro View Post
          The GH5S is $2500. The UMP is $6000.

          There is no financial comparison in anyway you look at it unless you're intentionally trying to out-price the UMP with more accessories for the Panasonic while buying nothing for the Blackmagic.
          My point exactly thank you. Not to mention you'd then have a great monitor, some lenses and accessories along with the GH5s body. But only the body of an ursa mini pro.

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          • #20
            There's no doubt the ursa is a better cinema camera but it's way more expensive. Heavier body needs a more expensive tripod, gimbal and speaking generally cinema camera accessories are usually overpriced or priced to their high quality in some cases.

            For what the GH5 and S is I think it will make a great starting point for cinema where the pocket is quickly falling behind in terms of frame rates, usability, etc. But I know I won't be putting down the micro for quite sometime but the gh5 and S are really cutting edge here.

            Low light sensitive means you can even save on lighting, lower powered cheaper lights.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by NorBro View Post
              The GH5S is $2500. The UMP is $6000.

              There is no financial comparison in anyway you look at it unless you're intentionally trying to out-price the UMP with more accessories for the Panasonic while buying nothing for the Blackmagic.
              I already made a comparisona few thread up.
              I dont really care about American prices, all that matters to me is UK price
              Look here UMP 4399
              https://slrhut.co.uk/product/ID1095C...iABEgJ11PD_BwE

              GH5s = 2200
              You want 10 bit recording at 60fps Atomos Shogun Inferno is the answer at 1350
              Want to convert the M43 sensor to S35? Metabones SB at 650
              ND filter? 100
              Hey bingo they came to the same price.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ryanite View Post
                My point exactly thank you. Not to mention you'd then have a great monitor, some lenses and accessories along with the GH5s body. But only the body of an ursa mini pro.
                Unless you don't need S35 sensor size, 60fps at 10 bits, ND filter.
                This is why I'm saying there is no free lunch with the GH5s.

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                • #23
                  But you still don't understand that you'd have a big bright 7" display, an extremely impressive lowlight sensor in a light weight package. With the money you'd spend on the ursa you'd have a completed GH5s package. While the ursa you'd need to spend further.

                  The initial gap in price will remain.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ryanite View Post
                    But you still don't understand that you'd have a big bright 7" display, an extremely impressive lowlight sensor in a light weight package. With the money you'd spend on the ursa you'd have a completed GH5s package. While the ursa you'd need to spend further.

                    The initial gap in price will remain.
                    You can buy a 7" display if you want at 100. GH5s does only 12 stops don't give you Raw or 444 but does give you low light cleaned images.
                    You can never get both cameras to identical performance but once you bring them to a similar level the price gap are negligable.

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                    • #25
                      That 100 pound display will be dirt, the tripod to hold a rigged out ursa will be well over 1k pounds and I hope you have Ronin 2 money to fly that ursa on a gimbal.

                      I really don't see how it comes out even, but hay maybe you are getting ripped off in England on your prices? I thought Australia was bad lol.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ryanite View Post
                        That 100 pound display will be dirt, the tripod to hold a rigged out ursa will be well over 1k pounds and I hope you have Ronin 2 money to fly that ursa on a gimbal.

                        I really don't see how it comes out even, but hay maybe you are getting ripped off in England on your prices? I though Australia was bad lol.
                        There are very good 100 monitors. If you plan to fly a camera on a gimbal I bet 99% of the people don't care if it is a 100 Go Pro, they all look impressive.
                        Pricing is the way it is, sterling is in the dump and there is VAT on top.

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                        • #27
                          In AUD it's, 3200 GH5s, 800 speedboosters, 1600 for the shogun inferno. So 5600 AUD which is quite the bit but the ursa mini pro is 7700 aud a 2100 dollar difference is quite the bit considering. But the ursa is a magnificent camera for those that can afford it. But in no way for me at least are they comparable in price.

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                          • #28
                            Then UM 4.6k? at least that is closer to a suped up GH5s.

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                            • #29
                              I got it, Panny GH5S low light is for competing with the Sony low light camera. But that's a set back from the GH5. Low light with ISO of 25000 is so more than enough... who's crazy to shoot anything higher? Light your set man! Cinematography is all about lighting and framing right. They compromised on the 5-axis stabilizer on the S. Videographers will not like that. They compromised on the pixels (10M)... photographers can't use that. I'd go with the GH5 over the GH5S today. It's a better camera for the videographer and photographer, especially for those who wants both in a single package. The HDR is not much better, if not the same due to the codec science.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by EYu View Post
                                Light your set man!
                                Couldn't agree more, however it's a big beautiful world and everyone's needs are different.

                                The max ISO isn't the feature, that's just marketing, it's the native ISO of 2500 that's the showstopper. Getting clean images at 5000 or 10000 ISO is nuts. DSLRs aren't my flavor but what Panasonic and Sony continue to do is very impressive within the segment.

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