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  • Can the late 2009 iMac i7 handle the BMPCC workflow (Color grading/Editing)?

    Hel lo everyone; I am about to loose my bmcuser forum post virginity hoping that it is not to painful!!!!!! (lol)

    After witnessing how RED failed to deliver their 3k for 3k Scarlett I’ve been obsessed with the BMCC since it was announced.
    Now that the BMPCC has been announced I would like to know if the computer I currently own can handle the BMPCC workflow.

    The Computers graphics card I currently got is the ATI Radeon HD4850 with 512 MB. I would max out the RAM to 32 GB. Apple recommends 16 but people have been successful in adding and running 32 GB of ram.

    I also know that people (against Apples wishes) have successfully replaced the graphics card with the ATI Radeon 6970 that contains 2 GB instead of 512.

    My extended warranty is running out soon and I am thinking of adding a 256 MB SSD (boot up/maybe apps?) and replacing the graphics card.

    My questions to the honorable members of this forum are;

    A) Do any of you that have more knowledge know if my current computer system without the SSD and the graphics card “upgrade” would be a feasible workflow solution?

    B) If the answer is no is there a way to use a proxy workflow that would be applicable in this case?

    C) If I, against apples best wishes (I would NOT DARE to question the great Apples iWorld domination scheme and do something that goes against their master plan) would the SSD and the graphics upgrade do the trick?

    If the answer is no to all of the questions above I am contemplation getting the next generation Mac pro; but given their track record that model might see the day of light the year 204O right in time for my retirement.




    Sincerely,

    Useg Diaz-Granados
    Last edited by Useg Diaz-Granados; 04-12-2013, 11:19 PM.
    http://www.oversightentertainment.se

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    Originally posted by Useg Diaz-Granados View Post
    Hel lo everyone; I am about to loose my bmcuser forum post virginity hoping that it is not to painful!!!!!! (lol)

    After witnessing how RED failed to deliver their 3k for 3k Scarlett I’ve been obsessed with the BMCC since it was announced.
    Now that the BMPCC has been announced I would like to know if the computer I currently own can handle the BMPCC workflow.

    The Computers graphics card I currently got is the ATI Radeon HD4850 with 512 MB. I would max out the RAM to 32 GB. Apple recommends 16 but people have been successful in adding and running 32 GB of ram.

    I also know that people (against Apples wishes) have successfully replaced the graphics card with the ATI Radeon 6970 that contains 2 GB instead of 512.

    My extended warranty is running out soon and I am thinking of adding a 256 MB SSD (boot up/maybe apps?) and replacing the graphics card.

    My questions to the honorable members of this forum are;

    A) Do any of you that have more knowledge know if my current computer system without the SSD and the graphics card “upgrade” would be a feasible workflow solution?

    B) If the answer is no is there a way to use a proxy workflow that would be applicable in this case?

    C) If I, against apples best wishes (I would NOT DARE to question the great Apples iWorld domination scheme and do something that goes against their master plan) would the SSD and the graphics upgrade do the trick?

    If the answer is no to all of the questions above I am contemplation getting the next generation Mac pro; but given their track record that model might see the day of light the year 204O right in time for my retirement.




    Sincerely,

    Useg Diaz-Granados
    I wouldn't invest a heap of time and money with those older graphics cards in that older iMac. At some point it's much better to upgrade the motherboard, processor and everything else as well, by buying a new Mac. You'd barely notice the difference between the two graphics cards; they're both a couple of generations past their prime. SSD might be worth doing if you can't upgrade the whole machine.

    SSD (or Fusion Drive) is awesome, don't buy your next computer without it. If you can wait, Apple have promised a new Mac Pro (or similar!) this year. I've got a Mac Pro 2009 that still does really well due to an SSD upgrade. For what it's worth, I did upgrade the GPU (from ATI4870 to GTX570) and didn't really notice a difference in FCP X. Faster CPU and faster storage are both useful too.
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    • #3
      Thank you for the quick response Iain.

      I will take your advice and wait until the Mac Pro comes out.

      Iain do you know if I can do anything with my current setup without the SSD upgrade?


      Sincerely,

      Useg Diaz-Granados
      http://www.oversightentertainment.se

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      • #4
        Probably not a whole lot. SSDs really help boot time, application launch time, and general responsiveness. You've got plenty of RAM (more than me!) but it's likely just your processor and general machine (motherboard, bus speed, RAM speed etc.) that are holding you back. The new iMacs are great, but if you're waiting for a Mac Pro, it's worth waiting a little longer to see what happens. This page might help:

        http://buyersguide.macrumors.com
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        http://trainingbrisbane.com

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        • #5
          Tank you for the info Ian.

          I am at macrumors at least once a week waiting to see what Apple will do with the Mac Pro.

          I come from the Audio world so I am totally green when it comes to the Video worlds computer requirements.
          Even though I snooped around here since the forum started I have a lot of catching up to do.

          I hope the price and specs for the entry Power Macs are reasonable (# of cores,/graphic cards etc.); well I guess we have to wait and see what the great Apple has in the works.

          I might do the SSD and the graphics card upgrade anyway if the BMPCC start shipping and we get to see actual footage if Apple delay the Mac pro launch (might as well add the graphics card even if it is outdated anyway once I gut the machine) as frustrating as that might turn out to be.

          Not knowing a thing about video I presume that a 2 GB graphics card old as it might be is better then a 512 MB one.

          I am one of those who are seriously considering the Hackentosh alternative if Apple don’t deliver sensibly priced Mac Pros (As much has I hate the lack of transparency at Apple I was one of the ones defending them in the late 80’s and early 90’s when they were about to go bankrupt; can’t stand windows; it’s a shame that there is no other hardware/software alternative out on the market; Googles offering into the hardware space seem lees then “brilliant” ).


          Sincerely,

          Useg Diaz-Granados
          Last edited by Useg Diaz-Granados; 04-13-2013, 05:00 AM.
          http://www.oversightentertainment.se

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          • #6
            I used to own that same config that you have and Resolve would not run at all. It was perfectly fine running fcp x, even with 4k red files though.

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            • #7
              I hate to ask, and I'm not trying to start anything, BUT what do you hate about Windows? It's only a shell and I spend my time working with files in apps, not screwing around with the OS.

              One of my partners has a similar system to yours, a Mac Pro low on RAM, no SSD, and a non-CUDA graphics card. We're looking for low-cost alternatives to make his system more hospitable. Upgrading the RAM, installing an SSD startup and an SSD scratch disc (very important for Premiere Pro) and finding a CUDA card that will work are what we've decided on. You could just as easily make these changes to your current system. A GTX 570 is a great GUI card for Resolve. 16GB of RAM will be plenty for Resolve and his Mac maxes out at 16GB and two 256GB SSDs give you enough room for startup disc and a scratch disc.

              If you were to be more open-minded and consider a PC solution or a Hackintosh or a dual boot system, you could put together a killer real-time 2K system for under $2K with two GTX570s, 64GB RAM, two SSDs, RAID, 12 threaded multicore processor, USB 3.0 and even Thunderbolt. You won't get that from Apple for less than $4000.
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              • #8
                Build a Hackintosh... it's very easy these days. Mine has Thunderbolt, gtx 660, 3770k i7 and cost less than a refurb imac.

                The cool thing is you can use your old imac 27" as a monitor for your hackintosh (or PC if thats the way you go) just make sure you get a graphic card with mini displayport or displayport.

                google tonymac for hackintosh info.

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                • #9
                  I come from the audio industry as well and went the hackintosh path recently too. Now we have two of them at home and they run GREAT. I actually spend quite a bit of time dealing with the OS and i prefer OSX so that's why i stayed with it. I do have windows 7 on another SSD drive in my Hackintosh though.
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                  • #10
                    Even if you build a Hackintosh what would you do as a monitor? Many people know the screen on the iMac cost $1K for anything comparable.....

                    Let me know people

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                    • #11
                      Depending on the model of imac you have, you can use it as an external monitor, or just buy a new display that will last you through YEARS of upgrades to your computer components. I currently have a NEC PA271W-BK-SV at home, and i got a Dell U2711 for my GF's hackintosh as she only really does graphics/photography work.
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                      • #12
                        I appreciate all of the input and the insight that ya’ll have provided.

                        Brad; It is the operating system that I don’t like when it comes to windows.

                        I do not know much about hackintosh but if what you are referencing to as “the operating system running in the background” is some sort of windows running in the background while the Mac OS is the user interface I might be able to deal with that.

                        I worked on one a windows system and even if it did not crash; I did not LIKE it.

                        It’s a personal preference which I personally do not think have anything to do with being open-minded or not (you might like your coffee black I like milk and sugar in mine).

                        I had these MAC versus WINDOWS debates with my old mentor Tolga Katas who protected windows to death at an independent record company he founded and I got to be a part of.

                        We had 8 computers; one was an old Mac that I used for music production and the rest where windows based computers.
                        The Mac NEVER crashed (lol); but ALL the windows machines did.

                        I remember that some people in our team had an important conference in MIDEM to attend; my mentor spent TWO (lol) days trying to fix some issues with a CD burner that we had purchased without any positive results.


                        Funny THING (lol) is he is now friends with Steve Wozniak which I find VERY funny.

                        I am not claiming that Mac’s don’t crash or that you can’t do creative work with windows (I mean there are people that have to live on a dollar a day; I wonder if that is choice or a personal preference?); but the moral of the story is that me ex Mentor who so passionately defended the Windows platform have switched over to the dark world of Apples iworld domination scheme.

                        He is very intelligent person by the way.

                        Thunderpants; I might go that route if Apple turns their back on the people that kept them alive and decide to only embrace the over-proportionally rich western middle (can I add spoiled or is that to close minded??????) class consumers that seem to be eating up their overly priced I toys offerings like it was candy.

                        I don’t know if any of ya’ll been following how Apple is treating the people that assemble these iToys on the factory floor and the Chinese consumers; If I was a member of the Chinese government I would react like they did and feel AND think it is within bounds.

                        Captain Hook; I think you are making my case for why the hackentosh alternative might not be for everyone. The time that is required to embark on that sort of project could be used on something else (and as a person that prioritize my time over money I hope that Apple delivers an upgradable Mac Pro solution).
                        If Apple delivers I hope the price range for their product offerings is acceptable.

                        J.F.R.; Like somebody already stated; I can use my current Mac as a monitor.
                        I presume that Apple would not be so ignorant as to make my monitor port incompatible with their future Mac pro’s.

                        Jmad; thanx 4 the tip.

                        Once again; I appreciate all the input and hope that ya’ll have a GREAT day!!!!!!




                        Sincerely,

                        Useg Diaz-Granados
                        Last edited by Useg Diaz-Granados; 04-14-2013, 01:34 AM.
                        http://www.oversightentertainment.se

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                        • #13
                          In absolutely no way is a Hackintosh right for just 'anybody'.. I happen to enjoy learning and found it a rewarding project. The 2nd build i did was purchased, assembled, and installed by me in 4-5 hours. There's really nothing to it these days if you've made one before and know what to buy/know what you're doing.
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                          **Any post by me prior to Aug 2014 was before i started working for Blackmagic**

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                          • #14
                            +1

                            I don't have a lot of funds, so I build my own systems from research on the web. A hackintosh would be a good alternative for you. You'd get the savings of a PC over a Mac, but would have the familiarity of a Mac. It wouldn't take half a day to build and get powered up.

                            FYI - I use Mac, Windows 64, and Linux. In my position it pays to be platform independent, after all it's just zeroes and ones.
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                            • #15
                              Captain Hook; Good that you got to enjoy and learned from your Hackintosh experience.

                              I have a friend that would assist me if I decide to make a Hackintosh.

                              I think I will wait and see if Apple delivers; if they drop the ball I will go ahead and build a Hackintosh.

                              I am assuming that it will take a while for the BMPCC’s to start reaching people and like some of you stated the rumor is that the Mac Pro will be out this year.

                              Dying to see some actual footage of the BMPCC. I think it would be safe to presume that Black Magic’s 4k offering is going to affect RED 4k camera sales.

                              I don’t understand why the other camera manufacturers did not counter Black Magic’s entry into the camera space at NAB; ignoring a great offering from a competitor is a good way of losing market share.

                              Brad; I understand your position. Is it your clients that require you to have a Windows, Linux and Mac setup or is it your personal preference?


                              Sincerely,

                              Useg Diaz-Granados
                              http://www.oversightentertainment.se

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