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  • #16
    MacOS doesn't support 10-bit displays. But the iMac will be great for cutting.

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    • #17
      as excited as i am about the 5K imac, it is a little misleading in reality....the screen is "too good" for the cpu and gpu and mostly for the existing connection technology.....this imac does not for example support thunderbolt display mode....simply because TB2 isn't fast enough to support this...Dell will be selling this same display and it will require 2 display port cables....and we don't really know how and if that will work with the mac pro....maybe 2 TB2 channels (not just ports)? apple won't do a monitor that requires 2 cables...they will wait for TB3 or HDMI2 which will be fast enough to drive this...
      in a way the biggest letdown is that the 5K display just does not come with enough power (GPU/CPU) to handle actual 4K or 5K footage.....this is more or less still a laptop in a desktop enclosure....
      for everybody else (graphic, photography,...) this will be great and just like with all other retina displays, once you see it, it is hard to go back....
      i kept waiting for any mention of video production, maybe a new version of fcpx....did not happen because this is not it, really....it will be a great machine to do a lot of stuff but it really isn't much better then the last imac in terms of power.....
      new chips are on the horizon and there was a lot of talk about how this imac might be announced now and ship in 2015 with the new chips and such....i think it is great that apple got them out there NOW, they should be great machines but 4K or 5K video requires something really special to handle the data....and right now a 6core mac pro with D700s (upgrade the CPU later) is hands down the better choice...especially for resolve...but when the 5k display comes out, it probably won't work with the existing mac pro (which is why apple did not come out with it yet....)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
        Well, still 8bit with a mediocre mobile GPU, don't expect too much.
        Bingo! You nailed it.

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        • #19
          As beautiful as a retina iMac would be to look at, I'd be inclined to wait for the second or third revision myself.

          I'd LOVE to have one for editing photos on, though! Retina MacBooks look stunning with high resolution stills.

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          • #20
            I'm a huge advocate of workstation grade machines, dual E5-2697 Xeons, dual Quadro K6000s,128 GB ram etc, but I think for many specially if your current machine is more than 3 or 4 years old, you'd be surprised at how fast the new 5K iMac is. It doesn't suit my needs but I think for many this with a TB raid array is a tidy little way to get work done. While not optimal or recommended, if you are not producing content for broadcast, or producing content that will only ever be seen on 8 Bit screens, grading on an 8 Bit panel is not the end of the world.

            I always pull up my work on an 8 Bit monitor and consumer tv, alongside the broadcast monitor to make sure to make sure it looks good for the average viewer as that is how it will almost certainly be seen. Kind of like checking audio on some consumer Beats headphones, Apple or Samsung earbuds, or tv speakers etc. Your mix may sound amazing on your studio monitors but that's not how most people will listen to your sound mix. Unless you specifically need something that the iMac is missing, and are locked in on the Mac OS, I would get this machine with out reservation. It looks mighty nice, will fit into a lot of workflows and get the job done for many.

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            • #21
              I would wait until Apple releases 4K or 5K Apple Cinema display. Talking about that, heeeey...where is it?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Retrospective View Post
                I would wait until Apple releases 4K or 5K Apple Cinema display. Talking about that, heeeey...where is it?
                It's over the horizon, might be coming a year from now on Skylake if we're lucky. Broadwell is quite late since it was supposed to be powering these new iMacs, not Haswell, so hope that doesn't mean Skylake is bumped out from its roadmap this time next year.

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                • #23
                  I think we need to wait DisplayPort 1.3 solutions to handle 5k+ display.

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                  • #24
                    Which is apparently part of Skylake, at least a year away.

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                      • #26
                        Not traditionally a fan of Apple gear but I have always liked their monitors, I really want to have a look at this 5K unit.

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                        • #27
                          First tests:

                          http://www.barefeats.com/imac5k.html

                          http://www.barefeats.com/imac5k1.html

                          http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014...t-performance/
                          Last edited by Andrea Monzini; 10-23-2014, 08:01 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Thank you. I keep looking for ways to 'like' a forum post out of general internet conditioning, and this is one of these times.
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                            • #29
                              Is anyone running Resolve on one of these yet, am tossing up a Windows PC upgrade versus iMac versus Mac Pro.
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                              • #30
                                Andrew, Barefeats does include some Resolve in some of their tests, so you may see more comparisons. I think the tests that compare the AMD R9 M295X to the older NVIDIA G750M are quite revealing in that the new GPU significantly outperforms the older doing work that isn't bound by data transfer (for which the 2014 and 2013 iMac are a draw). Not a lot of support for the 4-core new Mac Pro from these tests unless you are mostly moving data.

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