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  • Samyang 10mm or Tokina 11-16?

    Now then,

    I've been looking at a far wide end lens for a while but held off to get the 18-35.

    The two I'm looking at now are the Samyang 10mm and the Tokina 11-16 (Classic wide choice for BMCC).

    I've no desire for anything above 11mm on the tokina. So I was wondering head to head, for people with experience, which performs better optically? and what is the build quality of both of them like?

    Thanks for any help!
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    Samyang 10mm
    33.33%
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    Tokina 11-16mm
    66.67%
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    https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

  • #2
    I'm pretty sure the 10mm would perform better optically, but be sure to double check if it can take filters easily. Thats something steering me clear of the rokinon 14mm.

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    • #3
      Thanks Christian, I did know about the filter situation. I can remedy that with a matte box though. I'm just thinking purely optical, but definitely something to think about.

      The 14mm Rokinon is really soft as well, but I heard the 10mm performs much better. The version I used was really disappointing, anyway.
      https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

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      • #4
        I owned the Rokinon but used both on my old BMCC. I think the Rokinon performed a bit better, there's some distortion in both but at such a wide angle that's par for the course. The Tokina obviously gives you a bit more of a range to utilize, but if you don't need the range than I'd say Rokinon all the way. That on the wide end and the 18-35 to cover the normal/short telephoto range was all I needed for plenty of shoots.

        Edit: To clarify I owned the Rokinon 10mm

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        • #5
          Any reason you're not looking at the newer Tokina 11-20 instead?

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          • #6
            Alex,

            Thanks for the input! I'm swaying toward the Samyang/rokinon 10mm. It's cheaper as well! You don't have any links to footage of your bmcc and 10mm in use, do you? There's not much good quality stuff out there with that combo.
            https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

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            • #7
              Jrd,

              Your mention is honestly the first I've heard of it. Any chance of brief run down from yourself, as I check out some tests?
              https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dale View Post
                Jrd,

                Your mention is honestly the first I've heard of it. Any chance of brief run down from yourself, as I check out some tests?
                From what I've seen, it's deemed to be a bit sharper than the 11-16 (which it replaces in the Tokina line). And the extra 4mm is significant on a small sensor.

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                • #9
                  Neither. Get Tokina 11-20mm.

                  http://www.lenstip.com/451.6-Lens_re...istortion.html
                  My Official Blackmagic Micro Footage: https://vimeo.com/155747487

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                  • #10
                    Image quality-wise it performs better than the 10mm??

                    Appreciate the varied opinions!
                    https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

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                    • #11
                      The Samyang 10mm is a fantastic lens. It does NOT have front threads to attach a filter. It also has a non-removable lens hood, so fitting it in a matte box is problematic. We like this lens so much we just had our lens tech cut the hood off so it can be used in a matte box.

                      Is it as "sharp" as the Tokina 11-16mm? No. But it has a lovely filmic image that pairs perfectly with the Pocket or Micro Cine.

                      The Tokina is no slouch either, and it is a little sharper than the Samyang 10mm, and it's good on a Pocket or Micro Cine. It can be a little clinical on the BM 4k cams.

                      Really depends on what you'll mostly be shooting. Narrative on the Pocket? Samyang 10mm. Collection of corporate/wedding/music video/side (narrative) projects? The Tokina is a little more versatile.

                      Hope this helps.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Simon Shasha View Post
                        This.

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                        • #13
                          I'm so torn now guys!!!

                          I have been looking at the 11-20 and I'm just worried about back focus issues and build quality.

                          This has really expanded now and I'm even looking at the sigma 8-16! My thoughts being its the perfect range and image match to the 18-35 and the 50-100. But no constant aperture and quite slow...

                          This has become like many of the other, 'Which wide angle?', lens discussions and I apologise.
                          https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

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                          • #14
                            The Samyang is rectilinear, not sure about the Tokina
                            Blog: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/

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                            • #15
                              The Tokina 11-16mm and 11-20mm, Sigma 10-20mm, and Samyang 10mm, are all rectilinear lenses.

                              For me personally, I hate distortion. Of the bunch, the Samyang exhibits the worst distortion.

                              Samyang 10mm F2.8 at 10mm (-4.19%): http://www.lenstip.com/407.6-Lens_re...istortion.html

                              Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 at 11mm (-2.95%): http://www.lenstip.com/379.6-Lens_re...istortion.html

                              Tokina 11-20mm F2.8 at 11mm (-3.15%): http://www.lenstip.com/451.6-Lens_re...istortion.html

                              Sigma 10-20mm F3.5 at 10mm (-3.05%): http://www.lenstip.com/197.6-Lens_re...istortion.html

                              I think the Tokina 11-20mm F2.8, though a touch higher in distortion than the Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 and Sigma 10-20mm F3.5, makes up for it in having a longer range than the Tokina 11-16mm, and faster aperture than the Sigma 10-20mm.

                              The only reason I would choose the Samyang over the others is due to its very low chromatic aberration wide-open. Also, the Samyang, especially on APS-C sensors and smaller, has much better centre-sharpness than the others wide-open.
                              My Official Blackmagic Micro Footage: https://vimeo.com/155747487

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