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  • G2 to LF sensor upgrade program

    I was thinking about this and how possible/plausible it is. Since an LF camera is inevitable at some point...and the UMP line is already so established...I'm wondering if a sensor upgrade plan could be done. Using the new electronics of the G2 which could possibly take advantage of the LF sensor. Using the UMP line BMD dont have to redesign or reinvent the wheel which would help keep costs down. Customers send in their G2 and they swap the sensor at a cost lower than having to pay full price for a new camera (like RED).

    Things to consider:

    1. However being that the G2 is already pretty affordable I dont know if it makes sense economically for BMD to do this.

    2. They can hardly deliver normal cams fast enough so this would put more pressure on them...ie this may take forever.

    3. Is there physically enough space in the current UMP to house an LF sensor.
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  • #2
    Maybe Blackmagic might revisit the swappable sensor option but with a new body?

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    • #3
      Have you guys forgot the URSA Turret fiasco already? They can't even get the new pocket battery grip out. This is just wishful thinking.

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      • #4
        From what I have managed to learn thus far, BM seems to be using available processors and their matching chipsets and writing firmware customised to unique sensor and processing chains. Swapping another sensor type in without changing the actual processor and chipset might not be a workable option when everything is built into very few individual pieces. That seems to have been demonstrated by the 4.6K URSA turret debacle. Even the original "big" URSA, which was slightly more modular than later offerings, could not be made to work to a merchantable standard.

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        • #5
          Considering the current state of a dead sensor meaning buying a new camera as repair is not practical, I'd assume just prepare to buy a new camera.

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          • #6
            Doubt it.

            Look at the economics.

            What is the price of any Red sensor upgrade ?

            So the BMD upgrade program gives you a brand new LF Ursa and you get to keep your old Ursa for less than a RED sensor upgrade ! Winner !!

            JB

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            • #7
              All very valid points...some of which I touched on. Just wanted to throw it out and see what you guys were thinking. And yes a RED upgrade is usually more than the cost of an UMP so that def makes more sense when it comes to them.
              Last edited by jambredz; 10-05-2019, 04:33 PM.
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              • #8
                Maybe a sensor module with all the vital components that can be attached to different modules for controls, screen, etc. Like the "Craft Camera"

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                • #9
                  [QUOTE=Taikonaut;266510]Maybe a sensor module with all the vital components that can be attached to different modules for controls, screen, etc. Like the "Craft Camera"

                  Ha..ha... yes the ultimate in modularity by folks who can really create awesome and convincing motion graphics presentation.

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                  • #10
                    Rumors has it that RED was behind it but it also feature the rubber pull out bits on the sides typical of Blackmagic.
                    TBH RED would have charged many times more and sliver/grey is not their thing.
                    Last edited by Taikonaut; 10-05-2019, 11:11 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jambredz View Post
                      I was thinking about this and how possible/plausible it is. Since an LF camera is inevitable at some point...and the UMP line is already so established...I'm wondering if a sensor upgrade plan could be done. Using the new electronics of the G2 which could possibly take advantage of the LF sensor. Using the UMP line BMD dont have to redesign or reinvent the wheel which would help keep costs down. Customers send in their G2 and they swap the sensor at a cost lower than having to pay full price for a new camera (like RED).

                      Things to consider:

                      1. However being that the G2 is already pretty affordable I dont know if it makes sense economically for BMD to do this.

                      2. They can hardly deliver normal cams fast enough so this would put more pressure on them...ie this may take forever.

                      3. Is there physically enough space in the current UMP to house an LF sensor.
                      The G2 is too cheap. They will just sell you an LF camera later on (I hope). If you can't wait, buy a Luca adaptor speed booster, I have one and seems to work really well.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paulrossjones View Post
                        The G2 is too cheap. They will just sell you an LF camera later on (I hope). If you can't wait, buy a Luca adaptor speed booster, I have one and seems to work really well.

                        Paul
                        Im good with the G2 and P4k. Not interested in another camera purchase for now.
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                        • #13
                          I don't see any point on BM offering an upgrade service or trying to implement it into their camera systems. As mentioned above, RED for example who offers such service, does it at costs at least similar to BM's brand new flag ship camera price. And seeing how RED is copying over BM these days (Ranger, Komodo...) I won't be surprised if they completely stop offering such upgrade services quite soon and start making cheaper, "sell-away to upgrade" cameras instead. I also find it quite unreasonable when I see people complaining about new models coming out like suddenly their camera became obsolete. Anybody that is interested in upgrading their BM cameras can do it very simply and easily by selling their old camera and purchasing a brand new one which includes 1 year warranty. Depending on the upgrade, accessories (media, batteries, EVF etc) can be kept and used on the new camera.

                          For example:
                          Ursa Mini 4.6k to UMP G2 - Easy sell for $2k~$3k Upgrade cost $3k~$4k
                          Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K to UMP G2 - Easy sell for $3~$4k Upgrade cost $2k~$3k
                          Pocket4K to Pocket6K - Easy sell at $1~1.3k Upgrade cost $1.2~$1.5k

                          And so on...
                          I find the above upgrade costs reasonable enough especially when you think they include the new one year warranty. In effect, one (semi-successful) filmmaker can easily keep upgrading their camera system to the latest model every year (or perhaps two years). If somebody just buying these camera as a hobby or passion projects that's fine but then obviously the income source has to come from somewhere else. Anybody that complains about those numbers and ask for even cheaper upgrades they got way too spoiled and have lost perspective of what they are getting and for how much. As harsh as it might sound, if somebody can't afford these numbers... they are probably just fine with their previous camera system.
                          Last edited by pidulgi; 10-07-2019, 09:06 PM.

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                          • #14
                            ^ This.

                            Particularly the part about selling to buy: I've learned to think of my cameras in terms of cost-per-year (price I paid minus cash I got back, divided by the time I had it with me). Anything else is kidding myself about the fact that SOON I WILL WANT A NEW CAMERA. I thought the p4k would last me at least 3 years, and here I am, lusting over a p6k...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pidulgi View Post
                              I don't see any point on BM offering an upgrade service or trying to implement it into their camera systems. As mentioned above, RED for example who offers such service, does it at costs at least similar to BM's brand new flag ship camera price. And seeing how RED is copying over BM these days (Ranger, Komodo...) I won't be surprised if they completely stop offering such upgrade services quite soon and start making cheaper, "sell-away to upgrade" cameras instead. I also find it quite unreasonable when I see people complaining about new models coming out like suddenly their camera became obsolete. Anybody that is interested in upgrading their BM cameras can do it very simply and easily by selling their old camera and purchasing a brand new one which includes 1 year warranty. Depending on the upgrade, accessories (media, batteries, EVF etc) can be kept and used on the new camera.

                              For example:
                              Ursa Mini 4.6k to UMP G2 - Easy sell for $2k~$3k Upgrade cost $3k~$4k
                              Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K to UMP G2 - Easy sell for $3~$4k Upgrade cost $2k~$3k
                              Pocket4K to Pocket6K - Easy sell at $1~1.3k Upgrade cost $1.2~$1.5k

                              And so on...
                              I find the above upgrade costs reasonable enough especially when you think they include the new one year warranty. In effect, one (semi-successful) filmmaker can easily keep upgrading their camera system to the latest model every year (or perhaps two years). If somebody just buying these camera as a hobby or passion projects that's fine but then obviously the income source has to come from somewhere else. Anybody that complains about those numbers and ask for even cheaper upgrades they got way too spoiled and have lost perspective of what they are getting and for how much. As harsh as it might sound, if somebody can't afford these numbers... they are probably just fine with their previous camera system.
                              Makes sense
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                              Freelance Director/Director of Photography


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