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  • Here comes Z CAM

    Now that BMD is shipping the BMPCC 6K, Z CAM has in pre-order at B&H the following models. Are you ready?

    Z CAM E2-S6 6K Super 35 - $2995
    Z CAM E2-F6 6K Full Frame - $4995
    Z CAM E2-F8 8K Full Frame - $5995

    If you think the BMPCC 6K has disrupted the market, Z CAM is adding fuel to the fire of disruption. Good for us, maybe.

  • #2
    Like everything zcam is doing. Hope the lens mounts are exchangeable. Just wish it had sdi.

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    • #3
      If that 8k FF camera has at least 15ms fast rolling shutter, it would be a hell of a fire

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      • #4
        It's exciting to see another player at this price point. These cameras (as they stand) aren't for me personally, but I like that they're widening the field, and I'm pulling for their success.

        Shawn

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ShawnMi View Post
          It's exciting to see another player at this price point. These cameras (as they stand) aren't for me personally, but I like that they're widening the field, and I'm pulling for their success.

          Shawn
          Same here....personally not interested but I love seeing whats happening.
          Darren Scott
          Freelance Director/Director of Photography


          https://vimeo.com/jambredzvisions/videos

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ShawnMi View Post
            It's exciting to see another player at this price point. These cameras (as they stand) aren't for me personally, but I like that they're widening the field, and I'm pulling for their success.

            Shawn
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            • #7
              A major part of the disruption for Blackmagic is Braw and recording 422 prores (and higher for UMP). Without that, might as well get a mirrorless. Zcam codec options are really subpar.

              I see no disruption in the US market from zcam until that hurdle is passed over.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GeranSimpson View Post
                A major part of the disruption for Blackmagic is Braw and recording 422 prores (and higher for UMP). Without that, might as well get a mirrorless. Zcam codec options are really subpar.

                I see no disruption in the US market from zcam until that hurdle is passed over.
                I thought they shot prores now?

                Edit: just read the codecs... Yeh not ready to challenge BMD IMO. 4 2 0 10 bit and 8 bit. 10 bit raw (even though I dont think it shoots that as yet). Def not for me... But great to have options.
                Last edited by jambredz; 08-21-2019, 03:11 PM.
                Darren Scott
                Freelance Director/Director of Photography


                https://vimeo.com/jambredzvisions/videos

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                • #9
                  I've read the specs and the 6k full frame is really interesting for those that want a full frame camera, the 8k is really limited in frame rates just for the sake of 8k. They have a way to go to compete software wise, they are developing their own Raw so who knows what that will be. ProRes once licensed will surely be no more than scaled 4k.

                  I kind of hope Apple kicks Reds ass in the compressed raw patent war, companies like ZCam could be much better if they could just license ProRes raw and concentrate of building hardware. Pricing has been adjusted post pocket 6k, at least for the s35 model, pretty sure it was announced at $3995, they seem to have dropped The MFT mount option, which was mainly for the speedbooster crowd, but I was seriously considering that option for certain native manual lenses that cover s35.

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                  • #10
                    In 5 years the under $10,000 pro video camera market will be in this order.

                    Z Cam
                    Kinefinity
                    Black Magic
                    Who?

                    We know most of y'all aren't real pros though cuz yer using speed boosters.

                    Every where ya turn somebody is sayin how much better the 4k with a speed booster is than the 6k.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dop16mm View Post
                      I've read the specs and the 6k full frame is really interesting for those that want a full frame camera, the 8k is really limited in frame rates just for the sake of 8k. They have a way to go to compete software wise, they are developing their own Raw so who knows what that will be. ProRes once licensed will surely be no more than scaled 4k.

                      I kind of hope Apple kicks Reds ass in the compressed raw patent war, companies like ZCam could be much better if they could just license ProRes raw and concentrate of building hardware. Pricing has been adjusted post pocket 6k, at least for the s35 model, pretty sure it was announced at $3995, they seem to have dropped The MFT mount option, which was mainly for the speedbooster crowd, but I was seriously considering that option for certain native manual lenses that cover s35.
                      Me too. I wonder what happened? I hope it is possible and I hope Black Magic Design offers an active mft mount as an option on the new pocket 6k in a couple of months like they did with the original bmcc. Then I would get the fuji mft MK 18-55 and 50-135 cine zooms. Or is this a bad idea?

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                      • #12
                        If my Zcam goes down, and has to be returned to China, will it be at my own cost? Will it get through Chinese customs? How long before it gets back? This is a severe limitation to their current business model.
                        http://vimeo.com/user4142226

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GeranSimpson View Post
                          A major part of the disruption for Blackmagic is Braw and recording 422 prores (and higher for UMP). Without that, might as well get a mirrorless. Zcam codec options are really subpar.
                          I see no disruption in the US market from zcam until that hurdle is passed over.
                          The Z Cam E2 (which is based on the same hardware platform, but with a Micro 4/3 sensor) already has support for ProRes (LT, 422, and HQ) up to DCI 4K @ 60 fps. It also supports ProRes encoding in a 4:3 aspect ratio at 3696 x 2772 resolution up to 60 fps (which I suppose could be useful for anamorphic shooting). So it would surprise me if the Super 35 and Full Frame Z Cam models were not also capable of this as well.

                          This article mentions that they are working on getting the new cameras licensed for ProRes recording at up to 6K resolution:
                          https://www.cinema5d.com/z-cam-e2-f6...-pre-ordering/

                          When the Z Cam E2 first started shipping about a year ago, it only started with H.264 and H.265 recording initially. But someone digging around in the firmware package discovered that the firmware actually supported ProRes encoding already, it was just not exposed as an option via the camera menus. Once the ProRes licensing for the camera was approved, then ProRes recording was made officially available via a firmware update (which really just displayed these new codec options in the menu).

                          So I'd anticipate the situation will likely be similar with these new cameras and Z Cam will start shipping them as soon as the hardware is ready to go. And once the ProRes licensing goes through, recording in these codecs will be made available in a firmware update.

                          In terms of RAW recording, Z Cam already has a partially debayered ZRAW format similar in concept to Blackmagic RAW. This is already available for the Z Cam E2, and I'm sure it will be added to the other cameras as well. The big advantage of BRAW, however, is that support for it is integrated into DaVinci Resolve. Z Cam obviously doesn't have their own full blown NLE, which means you have to use their software to convert ZRAW into some other format before doing any editing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Steve Madsen View Post
                            If my Zcam goes down, and has to be returned to China, will it be at my own cost? Will it get through Chinese customs? How long before it gets back? This is a severe limitation to their current business model.
                            That's should be everyone's concern and the quality of service. I ordered some CFAST cards from China a couple years back and 4 of them had issues so I had to RMA them. It got lost in Chinese customs (at least that is what they claim it was last log). It took me 6 months trying to get the insurance paid and at the end I lost both in money and time. I have not bought anything there other than if they have a distributor (like Tilta, Smallrig) or retailer in the USA (like B&H, Adorama). For Z-Cam, they need a service center and customer service that is in the USA (and other key world locations).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by davedv View Post
                              In terms of RAW recording, Z Cam already has a partially debayered ZRAW format similar in concept to Blackmagic RAW. This is already available for the Z Cam E2, and I'm sure it will be added to the other cameras as well. The big advantage of BRAW, however, is that support for it is integrated into DaVinci Resolve. Z Cam obviously doesn't have their own full blown NLE, which means you have to use their software to convert ZRAW into some other format before doing any editing.
                              The conversion takes forever even on fast machines, PC only, you have to do basic color correction upfront and conversion is to delivery codecs, so it's not usable imo as of now. That said, this should all get much better in the future.

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