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  • #31
    Originally posted by Pultzar2 View Post
    Perhaps they are talking about that tech in which you shoot at 120 fps 360 degree shutter and then you can convert to various frame rates and shutter angles. I forget what this is called but I remember it looking good.
    This is an example;
    https://vimeo.com/114743605

    In theory, it allows to simulate any shutter angle or speed and mimic the motion cadence, or motion blur of film. It does need a 120fps source though, which is why the 6k's 120fps 2.8k mode caught my eye, more so when first reviews stated the picture quality was excellent in this mode. Scenes with a lot of motion would look more like film, and be far more pleasing to the eye too.

    https://tessive.com/time-shaper-demos

    Here's a far more detailed explanation;
    https://ascmag.com/articles/realds-t...e-rate-options
    http://www.reald.com/#/truemotion

    I'm sure given time, some lucky 6k owner will try this out eventually...... Here's a link to the 30-day trial version - https://reald.site/TrueMotionDownload
    Last edited by SottoTerra; 08-14-2019, 08:36 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SottoTerra View Post
      This is an example;
      https://vimeo.com/114743605

      In theory, it allows to simulate any shutter angle or speed and mimic the motion cadence, or motion blur of film. It does need a 120fps source though, which is why the 6k's 120fps 2.8k mode caught my eye, more so when first reviews stated the picture quality was excellent in this mode. Scenes with a lot of motion would look more like film, and be far more pleasing to the eye too.

      https://tessive.com/time-shaper-demos

      Here's a far more detailed explanation;
      https://ascmag.com/articles/realds-t...e-rate-options
      http://www.reald.com/#/truemotion

      I'm sure given time, some lucky 6k owner will try this out eventually...... Here's a link to the 30-day trial version - https://reald.site/TrueMotionDownload
      Now I understand what he meant. I thought he was just referring to a feature that's on Resolve 16 studio. TrueMotion is a nice tool. Unfortunately they don't have its for Windows 10 Pro at the moment.

      Also do note that when shooting at high frame rates you're going to lose stops.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by EYu View Post
        I just pre-ordered from them. I should be mindful of the packaging - making sure that the box is still plastic sealed when I get it. I always have problems with the quality of their shipping. However I've had to shift to them because B&H started charging sales tax on online orders and I think it is a ploy for you to enroll in their store card (and they take off the sales tax) which I have no interest of doing.

        Adorama is great. It's just an isolated incident and mores a Blackmagic oversight or something. This is my 11th BM camera I've ordered from Adorama and their service is always stellar. The camera box hadn't been opened...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by EYu View Post
          I just pre-ordered from them.
          That was a quick turnaround :P

          Welcome to the family

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          • #35
            Have you seen the first review of the BMP6K at B&H?
            Not good.
            And they said they've seen unboxings with the same issues and others reporting the issue.
            Blackmagic quality control scores again!
            Not!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
              Have you seen the first review of the BMP6K at B&H?
              Not good.
              And they said they've seen unboxings with the same issues and others reporting the issue.
              Blackmagic quality control scores again!
              Not!
              Or maybe "Bryan" is Jim Jannard trying his best to keep Komodo relevant.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
                Have you seen the first review of the BMP6K at B&H?
                Not good.
                And they said they've seen unboxings with the same issues and others reporting the issue.
                Blackmagic quality control scores again!
                Not!

                The "review" did not go beyond cosmetic shape of the camera. Indeed it is strange, that a lot of early buyers received cameras in less then pristine shape. However it's hard to call this a review, since not a sigle part is referring to IQ or features.

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                • #38
                  Mine came in similar condition. I opened the 6K box, the screen protector was removed, theere were two large fingerprints on the LCD screen and the body has multiple large scuffs on it that can't be removed. Also, the packaging around my box was also ripped/torn. My pocket 4K didn't come in this condition, returning my unit to Adorama. It seems like this has happend with quite a few of the units. Who knows how long it might take to get a replacement 6K, might upgrade to the UMPG2 instead, but quality control is still clearly an issue for Black Magic, which deosn't instill confidence when buying. My pocket 4k also bit the bullet 9 months after purchase.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by unomas View Post
                    Mine came in similar condition. I opened the 6K box, the screen protector was removed, theere were two large fingerprints on the LCD screen and the body has multiple large scuffs on it that can't be removed. Also, the packaging around my box was also ripped/torn. My pocket 4K didn't come in this condition, returning my unit to Adorama. It seems like this has happend with quite a few of the units. Who knows how long it might take to get a replacement 6K, might upgrade to the UMPG2 instead, but quality control is still clearly an issue for Black Magic, which deosn't instill confidence when buying. My pocket 4k also bit the bullet 9 months after purchase.
                    Mine was also in used condition from a different retailer. It's not like we wouldn't notice so not sure why they did this.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by unomas View Post
                      My pocket 4k also bit the bullet 9 months after purchase.
                      How? What happened?

                      I believe everyone’s bad QC experience. It seems whoever is packing them at factory in Singapore is taking the piss and not giving a fuck.
                      They need a harder foreman with a better eye. The screen protector were always terrible fits, but I’d put that down to costs of having them cut to size. They could take much more care actually fitting them though.

                      The factory teams have probably never dealt with this kind of volume before.

                      It’s just disappointing that blackmagic create these great cameras and then they’re damaged at the final stage!
                      https://vimeo.com/dalesaxton

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dale View Post
                        How? What happened?

                        I believe everyone’s bad QC experience. It seems whoever is packing them at factory in Singapore is taking the piss and not giving a fuck.
                        They need a harder foreman with a better eye. The screen protector were always terrible fits, but I’d put that down to costs of having them cut to size. They could take much more care actually fitting them though.

                        The factory teams have probably never dealt with this kind of volume before.

                        It’s just disappointing that blackmagic create these great cameras and then they’re damaged at the final stage!

                        It kind of seems like they just didn’t bother changing the tooling for the new body from the 4K lol

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                        • #42
                          Good ol' black magic

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Robert Rogoz View Post
                            The "review" did not go beyond cosmetic shape of the camera. Indeed it is strange, that a lot of early buyers received cameras in less then pristine shape. However it's hard to call this a review, since not a sigle part is referring to IQ or features.
                            Hmm Ok. We get it. A weird case of rightism.
                            And the earth is flat.
                            Blackmagic quality issues are like cockroaches.
                            You see one or two, and you know there's lot more where those came from.

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                            • #44
                              I don't think all the bad QC experiences are part of some big conspiracy. BMD really needs to figure out what was/is going on there.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Adam E View Post
                                After spending the day shooting with the 6K and 4K, I thought I'd share some initial thoughts.

                                The 6K is an improvement in every way - detail, motion, noise, highlight roll off, tonality and color are all improved over the 4K. It feels like the G2 of the Pocket cams, tweaked and improved in a lot of little ways that makes for a better image overall.

                                Some findings that I didn't expect:

                                - 4K noise in low light at 3200 is muddier, with less detail and more chroma noise than the 6K. It's not a huge difference so definitely don't feel like your missing out if you're staying with the 4K, but I am seeing the difference. At the same ISO and f-stop, I prefer the 6K image in low light over the 4K with a speed booster (ex. 6K at f5.6 & 3200iso vs 4K at f5.6 (f4.0 boosted) at 3200iso). The image will be brighter with the speed booster on the pocket, but the noise doesn't look as nice.

                                - 2.8K at 120fps is AMAZING. Much better than the 4K's 120fps at HD.

                                - I'm glad to be done with speed boosters.

                                - If I needed a 3rd cam, I'd get another 6K and not a 4K.


                                What's your opinion on this;
                                https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/08/...-the-bmpcc-6k/

                                If the optical quality is good, I'd be sorely tempted to go for it once I purchase a 6k next year. Unlike the Speedbooster / Viltrox, there shouldn't be any wobbe or play as the optical elements are all fitted inside the camera.. An almost full frame 6k camera for $3 is unbelievable.

                                The 2.8k mode will be less cropped too, to boot. Speaking of 2.8k 120FPS, it seems it offers the full wide dynamic range of the 6k modes - and (aside from the crop) there are no disadvantages to it. I'm experimenting with some sample files - and it opens up quite a bit of possibilities!
                                Last edited by SottoTerra; 08-25-2019, 01:10 AM.

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