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  • #16
    That's a significant improvement wow.

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    • #17
      All i'm seeing is an apparent exposure difference. I don't see any "significant improvement" colourwise there.
      Darren Scott
      Freelance Director/Director of Photography


      https://vimeo.com/jambredzvisions/videos

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jambredz View Post
        All i'm seeing is an apparent exposure difference. I don't see any "significant improvement" colourwise there.
        Both cameras are at identical settings, same f stop, iso, etc. Copy and paste same grade. The new camera seems a little brighter, there's also a slight color difference. The new camera has a little better color. A tad less muddy, a little easier to grade. The moire however is the same. I'm going to have to swap my Rawlite OLPF from my other G1 to the G2. I think the biggest difference will be the motion cadence from the faster scan rate. I've done some motion tests, but need to do more and post. It really looks closer to Alexa when you are handheld.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Will Vazquez View Post
          Both cameras are at identical settings, same f stop, iso, etc. Copy and paste same grade. The new camera seems a little brighter, there's also a slight color difference. The new camera has a little better color. A tad less muddy, a little easier to grade. The moire however is the same. I'm going to have to swap my Rawlite OLPF from my other G1 to the G2. I think the biggest difference will be the motion cadence from the faster scan rate. I've done some motion tests, but need to do more and post. It really looks closer to Alexa when you are handheld.
          Yeh I didn't doubt the settings were the same. Just that the g2 exposes it brighter for whatever reason. But to say its a major improvement (Geran's statement) is quite a stretch IMO. I could match those 2 images in 10 seconds. I'd def be interested in seeing some handheld (shoulder mounted proper handheld or easyrig ) footage showing the difference in motion. Thanks so far for all the info you have shared.
          Darren Scott
          Freelance Director/Director of Photography


          https://vimeo.com/jambredzvisions/videos

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          • #20
            It's not just "brighter". There are so many little differences that are easily overlooked that I can tell will make footage so much easier to grade. And that's just looking at this still. Can't wait to see more comparisons.

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            • #21
              Here's a quick test I did of the G2 to check out the rolling shutter, so I was a little sloppy with the handheld on purpose. For the quick grade, I used an old Captain Hook LUT, so perhaps the skin is a little too pink with it. Getting good, thick skin color on lighter skinned folk can be very hard. This is something that film always did great job with, especially with movies from the 80s and 90s. I was going for that look.

              https://youtu.be/vRkFHu8auW8

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              • #22
                ...and here is the same test, but with a 50% Alexa LUT...
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF-XF01r1bY

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Will Vazquez View Post
                  Here's a quick test I did of the G2 to check out the rolling shutter, so I was a little sloppy with the handheld on purpose. For the quick grade, I used an old Captain Hook LUT, so perhaps the skin is a little too pink with it. Getting good, thick skin color on lighter skinned folk can be very hard. This is something that film always did great job with, especially with movies from the 80s and 90s. I was going for that look.

                  https://youtu.be/vRkFHu8auW8
                  The motion cadence on the G2 is hands down the best Iíve ever seen on a sub-$10K camera. Huge improvement over the G1 (which was pretty good). This is up in Alexa territory, and dare I say even better than the Red Dragon?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
                    This is up in Alexa territory, and dare I say even better than the Red Dragon?
                    The color improvements also push it even closer. Pretty remarkable improvements. Too bad sensor filters will void warranty.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Will Vazquez View Post
                      ...and here is the same test, but with a 50% Alexa LUT...
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF-XF01r1bY
                      This is great stuff.
                      Last edited by Dan K; 04-26-2019, 11:15 PM.
                      Blackmagic Design User Group UK

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                      • #26
                        Here's another short clip test. Youtube compression doesn't do it justice though.
                        https://youtu.be/YnmxMZ8DToI
                        Last edited by Will Vazquez; 04-27-2019, 07:21 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Will Vazquez View Post
                          Here's another short clip test. Youtube compression doesn't do it justice thought.
                          https://youtu.be/YnmxMZ8DToI
                          Nice one thanks for your input Will. If you get the chance and have the enthusiasm :-) could you do some side by side comparisons between the g1 and g2 for whip pans, and skin tone, could be all in just one quick shot and upload the native Braw or prores etc? Sorry for the cheeky request, iím just keen to look into this camera more :-) thanks

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                          • #28
                            Your model is very photogenic!

                            Dynamic range test with a room lit by a window between the G1 and G2 would be very helpful. Kind of like this comparison between Mavo s35 and Alexa.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
                              The motion cadence on the G2 is hands down the best I’ve ever seen on a sub-$10K camera. Huge improvement over the G1 (which was pretty good). This is up in Alexa territory, and dare I say even better than the Red Dragon?
                              After using the G2 for a bit as well that's my impression as well. While the easy thing to talk about is the lack of rolling shutter artifacts, the faster readout on the G2 makes the motion look really close to the cameras "up there". That for me is the highlight.

                              I can't speak of the colors in an absolute way as I don't have a G1 around to compare directly but my direct impression is there is a further "sweetness" to it. Like something is more "cleaned up". As I understand it there is a new/tweaked color filter array in the G2 sensor which might be responsible for this. Do mind, a lot of tests out there for the G1 are in CDNG. BRAW has brought a lot of (very positive in my opinion) changes to the inherent look of the image and those are as true to the G2 as they are to the G1 with BRAW.

                              Also I do feel the G2 sensor is a bit cleaner noise wise as well. Perhaps in a similar way the Micro Cinema Camera with the improved processing/cooling had a little cleaner image than the original Pocket.
                              In my tests in the video below I'm using the G2 at 120/300fps in very dark environments. ISO800 seemed as clean as ISO400 on the Pocket4K (which is exceptionally clean) and pulling to ISO1600+ for ISO800 exposed images also held very well without de-noising.


                              Originally posted by GeranSimpson View Post
                              Dynamic range test with a room lit by a window between the G1 and G2 would be very helpful. Kind of like this comparison between Mavo s35 and Alexa.
                              Dynamic range should be the same between G1 and G2 sensor wise. Not sure if there is some kind of rolloff tweak in BRAW 1.3 though.

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                              • #30
                                Just to add again to the discussion of the motion cadence of the faster sensor readout. In one word, "cinematic". This word is overused, but when I say cinematic, I mean the way that motion is rendered, where there appears a visual perception of it not being reality. Starting with the RED Epic Dragon, and then to the magical Alexa, digital movies finally began to have that look that mimicked motion picture film stock running through a camera. Both RED and Alexa's motion is a little different to film, but each have their own versions of that so called film-look. The faster readouts of the sensor scan times, were similar looking as to how a film was exposed with 180 degree mechanical shutter. The UM4.6k and the UMP are fantastic cameras, but where missing that film look. They always seemed to look a little video-ish. Well folks, with the G2 no more. And the camera's color is a lot cleaner. Sometimes the G1 and OG 4.6k, looked like there was chromatic aberration on the image, or that the colors where like out of registration slightly, like you get in CMYK printing. The G2's image is super clean. John Brawley mentioned the new RGB Color Filter Array, and now I finally see it.

                                Here's a few more sloppy shots that I did. Some ProRes, some BRAW, at 23.98, 120 and 300 fps, 180 degree shutter. This is also with a RAWLITE OLPF that I swapped from one of my G1's. The 120 fps and 150 fps out of the G2 looks pristine. the 300 fps, however is a little soft and noisy. With a little noise reduction, it is definitely usable though.

                                https://youtu.be/Qo9lKsFw_FY

                                I know some will say that the difference between G1 and G2 is very little, that one can easily grade a G1 to look like G2. This may be true to an extent, but I can also grade my UMP footage to look very close to my Alexa Classic's. But when you play them in motion, there is something to the Alexa that looks different. You can says it's a subtle difference, but people pay $40k more for that subtle difference. I'm not saying that the G2 is like Alexa. But that the subtle difference in the image over the G1 is huge, and that the G2 has moved Blackmagic even closer to having its own version of the motion picture film-look.

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