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  • #16
    The original Toaster's form factor wasn't exactly "cinema" ergonomic either. Or any ergonomic for that matter XD it was about as ergonomic as holding a coffee-table book vertically by the sides in front of you lmao

    EYu has a point though. If you pull out a Pocket4K clients, not even just crew, sometimes eye you like a hawk. The low price tag is great, but it comes with a stigma, and it floods the market with novice shooters.

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    • #17
      Everyone is a novice shooter at the beginning, why should you care how other people use the camera?

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      • #18
        This current form factor INCLUDES all you need to shoot in a $1,300 package.
        That really wasn't going to happen in a cam-corder style body.

        I watch everybody rig theirs up, and talk about all their many different preferences in body style, and this leads me to the conclusion that a RED-style "brain box" (or Micro Cinema Camera) is the thing that would satisfy the greatest number of users.

        For this reason I really would love to see BMD offer a "brain only" version.

        Who knows...they've done it once and it has been very successful, maybe they are ALREADY working on this.
        Cameras: Blackmagic Cinema Camera, Blackmagic Pocket Camera (x2), Panasonic GH2 (x2), Sony RX100 ii, Canon 6D, Canon T2i,
        Mics: Sennheiser, AKG, Shure, Sanken, Audio-Technica, Audix
        Lights: Every Chinese clone you can imagine

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DPStewart View Post
          This current form factor INCLUDES all you need to shoot in a $1,300 package.
          That really wasn't going to happen in a cam-corder style body.

          I watch everybody rig theirs up, and talk about all their many different preferences in body style, and this leads me to the conclusion that a RED-style "brain box" (or Micro Cinema Camera) is the thing that would satisfy the greatest number of users.

          For this reason I really would love to see BMD offer a "brain only" version.

          Who knows...they've done it once and it has been very successful, maybe they are ALREADY working on this.

          +1. The only thing is that if they can make the pocket 4K in a $1300 package, that could have the same features and functionality is a different body style that more of a micro cinema camera for the same price and not just come out with a brain. Maybe make it modular so it can be expanded easily. I just don't want to go too far on this but we saw this kind of design before, albeit they never materialized.

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          Last edited by EYu; 04-19-2019, 06:47 AM.

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          • #20
            or kind of this + side handle attachment

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            • #21
              Me. Since the day it was revealed, I thought it was pretty ugly. Especially considering the other cameras and general good looks that BMD has.

              I also wish that some of the more puzzling buttons were programmable. How often do y'all use the Stills button? Auto iris?

              I'd rather they let us program modes, or even come pre-programmed with modes. Vloggers and pure hobbyists might use this stuff, but it's completely useless to me. Honestly, I would be surprised if anyone uses the Stills button. I want it replaced/made programmable on the UMP, too.

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              • #22
                I do want it to come with what you currently get with the Pocket 4K, which includes a display (can be a folding display) or an EVF, HDMI or SDI (preferred) port, mini XLR (at least 1), a few accessible buttons (WB, ISO, programmable user buttons), a good compartment to hold a couple of Canon or Sony batteries that can drive it for a couple of hours, and external power port. All this (except the EVF) currently exist in one form or another on the Pocket 4K for $1300 so I think it is attainable. A big plus would be built-in ND filters and would be okay to pay up to $1500 for something with it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TravisA View Post

                  How often do y'all use the Stills button? Auto iris?
                  Not the auto iris, but I use the stills button quite a lot on sets, and also use the feature for my casting and location jobs.

                  Originally posted by VidShooter View Post

                  No one buys camcorders. I haven't seen one of those in the wild in almost a decade. You would get clowned if you pulled out a camcorder.
                  Just worked a large international project, where not only did we have a camcorder, but used a VHS-C as the b cam to the Red Helium. I've used quite a few of the pro camcorders for various docs in the last couple years as well, from DVX-200 to some of the Sony PXW series. I use a Panasonic F2500 for a lot of pre-production work for networks which is pretty much a camcorder, and the checks keep coming.

                  A lot of people here sound like they really want a GH5 kit.

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                  • #24
                    I am quite happy with the form factor of the PCC4k. I have it in a 8sinn half cage with the scorpio handle on the left side mounted. The whole thing - together with additional stuff - fits nicely into my Companion Rucksack. More often I just let the UM46k in its huge Sachtler doctor bag in the studio and just go with the small footprint of the PCC4k. Its also great that people think it is a photo camera and act much more naturally when I film them.

                    What I really would like to see in a PCC4k PRO would be internal NDs, a locking MFT mount (if possible), SDI instead of HDMI, bigger battery option (like the Canon BP-A30 14.4V 48Wh) and back lit buttons. And better internal audio. And a brighter display.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Michael Bergstrom View Post
                      A lot of people here sound like they really want a GH5 kit.
                      I think not. What made you come to that conclusion? I have a GH5 and that's a DSLR form factor camera. That's not what most folks here are wanting for a cine camera. Just a couple who wants a stealthy cam or something to that idea.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TravisA View Post
                        I also wish that some of the more puzzling buttons were programmable. How often do y'all use the Stills button? Auto iris?
                        Stills I don't use, but I've gotten a good workout for the auto iris/focus buttons in the last week as I've been doing some out-and-about solo vlog style videos.

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                        • #27
                          I dont. Only if its a new sensor that looks more organic and has more dr.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Michael Bergstrom View Post
                            Just worked a large international project, where not only did we have a camcorder, but used a VHS-C as the b cam to the Red Helium. I've used quite a few of the pro camcorders for various docs in the last couple years as well, from DVX-200 to some of the Sony PXW series. I use a Panasonic F2500 for a lot of pre-production work for networks which is pretty much a camcorder, and the checks keep coming.
                            Why would I or the majority of the BMPCC 4k target market want to look like we are doing preproduction work for a network when we are on a family vacation?

                            Originally posted by EYu View Post
                            I'm paying for a cinema camera and expect it to look like one.
                            You are NOT "paying for a cinema camera". $1,300 is a prosumer camera. It doesn't matter what marketing is printed on the side of the box. I assure you there are more prosumers playing around with Blackmagic pocket cameras than there are Hollywood studios using them as A cameras. If prosumers weren't snatching up Blackmagic pocket cameras at a good clip they wouldn't be making them or they would cost a lot more. You should be happy prosumers are buying them.

                            Also if you can't go out, get a small business loan, buy a URSA mini pro, and pay back the loan within a year you probably aren't as much of a big shot Hollywood cinematographer as you think. $5,000 for a seasoned pro is nothing. Since college I've never had a job that didn't require way more than a $5,000 investment.

                            Amateurs like you would cry if you saw my annual marketing budget. I wish all I had to do to silence the doubters is buy a $5,000 camera. If you a fretting over that you are not a pro. I have to spend thousands just to find out what my clients and potential clients want. If they walked in and told me to my face I would get their business if I bought one $5,000 camera I would have had that camera in hand within 24 hrs. To be honest with you this has nothing to do with cinematography. I see this type of thing in my day job all the time. People drop the ball all the time on simple basic relatively cheap marketing because they have a chip on their shoulder or they are just incompetent. I'm not mad though. I LOVE IT! It makes my job soooo much easier. You said it yourself. Your town is full of jokers with prosumer cameras right? Well guess what? I would rent a damn Alexa and show up with that. Or rent a Red or Canon C series. Whatever the budget allowed.

                            URSA mini pro 4.6K is $420 for 7 day rental... all tax deductible. Can't afford that? You may have to start being honest with yourself about your "pro" bona fides.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by polaroid22 View Post
                              I dont. Only if its a new sensor that looks more organic and has more dr.
                              Good point. If they made a brain style PCC4K I still wouldn't buy it. The color science of the UMP is better.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by VidShooter View Post
                                Why would I or the majority of the BMPCC 4k target market want to look like we are doing preproduction work for a network when we are on a family vacation?
                                That was a response to the person that said comcorders were old news and hadn't seen one for years and would be clowned for showing up with one. Cameras are a tool, I grab what's useful or being paid to shoot on. The pocket stripped down is a useful and discreet tool.

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