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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sansetsu-Guyse View Post
    it power by a cable, meaning you need a break out box, or custom cable for the expansion bmmcc d connector, or cut off all the wires you don’t need from the cables that come with the bmmcc, or don’t mount the thing on the camera an use a dummy battery, or look at all the info that one little goat provided and figure it out yourself. And if you can’t do that, the bmmcc is definitely not a camera for you.

    You could also just ask one little goat, unless of course you thought you could just ask someone to do it for you and report back.
    I've owned a bmmcc almost since it came out. I've read the indiegogo, and the wording is vague regarding this specific point, hence why I asked. There is no way to contact him on the indiegogo and you can't comment unless you back the project. No need to get snarky.

    If it is the case that the micro has to be powered via cable and breakout box the campaign is misleading and it's quite a turn off.

    I have contacted him via the website form and whenever he gets back I will update here. I figured it's possible someone else has asked.
    Last edited by GeranSimpson; 04-23-2019, 09:44 AM.

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    • #32
      If you have a Micro Camera, then you might also have one of Phil’s One Little Goat remote’s, which include the breakout to power the camera via the remote to the breakout connector on the camera. The OLR connects to the DB connector on the camera, the battery cable connects to the remote. Having the battery plate adapter connect power directly would be nice, but would add to the complication and cost.
      Phil’s original concept was to power the camera via a cable, as the DB connector was being used by a SBus remote setup.

      With the release of the Pocket 4K, the battery concept went from a add on the back of the Micro to a hand grip battery that could be used by several cameras, including the new Pocket 4K, increasing Phill’s market and making a commercial run more doable. This has been an ongoing development that started several years ago. Making the battery more universal, increases its chance of success.
      Cheers

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Denny Smith View Post
        If you have a Micro Camera, then you might also have one of Phil’s One Little Goat remote’s, which include the breakout to power the camera via the remote to the breakout connector on the camera. The OLR connects to the DB connector on the camera, the battery cable connects to the remote. Having the battery plate adapter connect power directly would be nice, but would add to the complication and cost.
        Phil’s original concept was to power the camera via a cable, as the DB connector was being used by a SBus remote setup.

        With the release of the Pocket 4K, the battery concept went from a add on the back of the Micro to a hand grip battery that could be used by several cameras, including the new Pocket 4K, increasing Phill’s market and making a commercial run more doable. This has been an ongoing development that started several years ago. Making the battery more universal, increases its chance of success.
        Cheers
        I do have a breakout box (not a OLR, doesn't matter), but it's not efficient to have extra cables powering the camera while also using up the LP-e6 mount on the back and not getting power from it. If I power the camera via an external battery, which is what this technically is, I also have one mounted on the back for hot swaps since mounting a larger battery probably involves a long shoot day.

        He has product photos of it mounted on lights with NO cables. If the mount isn't hot, this is very misleading and leaves a bad impression.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by GeranSimpson View Post
          I do have a breakout box (not a OLR, doesn't matter), but it's not efficient to have extra cables powering the camera while also using up the LP-e6 mount on the back and not getting power from it. If I power the camera via an external battery, which is what this technically is, I also have one mounted on the back for hot swaps since mounting a larger battery probably involves a long shoot day.

          He has product photos of it mounted on lights with NO cables. If the mount isn't hot, this is very misleading and leaves a bad impression.
          Your answer is in the overview on the iniegogo page
          On skin tones- "Give me mud and I will make the skin of Venus out of it, if you allow me to surround it as I please", Eugéne Delacroix

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sansetsu-Guyse View Post
            Your answer is in the overview on the iniegogo page
            No, it's not.

            Originally posted by Indigogo Page
            Can connect directly onto the back of the Blackmagic Micro Cinema and Micro Studio cameras.
            Originally posted by Indigogo Page
            Canon (LPE6) and Sony (NPF) battery plates are included so you can attach the battery bank directly to lights, monitors and other accessories - including directly onto the back of the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera,
            Originally posted by Indigogo Page
            Included are Sony and Canon battery plates so you can plug the battery handle into your lights, monitors etc.
            Neither of those specify that they output through the adapter, only that they attach directly to the mounts.

            FYI this is how you avoid disappointment when buying things over the internet. Assume nothing that isn't explicitly said. It's extremely common for custom batteries like these to have dummy adapters and require cables for power. The addition of a hot mount would make these exceptional, as Denny alluded to.

            Regardless, I have received the answer to my question. No thanks to your (lack of) input.

            The battery mounts are hot. This makes these extremely versatile and valuable. I'm getting some.
            Last edited by GeranSimpson; 04-23-2019, 03:00 PM.

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            • #36
              Geran, great news! Thanks for getting a definite answer on this. At one point, Phill did indicate the battery would have a hot mount, but when he redeveloped it into a grip form-factor, and his new info did not indicate a hot mount, I was not sure. This makes the setup much more useable for different applications, including powering a Micro camera from the battery mount, freeing a battery port to also power a monitor. This cinched the deal for me also, getting at least one too, maybe two.
              Cheers

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Denny Smith View Post
                Geran, great news! Thanks for getting a definite answer on this. At one point, Phill did indicate the battery would have a hot mount, but when he redeveloped it into a grip form-factor, and his new info did not indicate a hot mount, I was not sure. This makes the setup much more useable for different applications, including powering a Micro camera from the battery mount, freeing a battery port to also power a monitor. This cinched the deal for me also, getting at least one too, maybe two.
                Cheers
                Yeah... I just assumed that since he showed the battery grip with adapter plate mounted on a small light fixture that has no AC Input - well, it had to be a hot mount.

                I'm realizing I have more devices than I even initially thought of that will benefit from this thing. I'd love to phase out my use of individual LP-e6 and NPF batteries as much as I can.
                Cameras: Blackmagic Cinema Camera, Blackmagic Pocket Camera (x2), Panasonic GH2 (x2), Sony RX100 ii, Canon 6D, Canon T2i,
                Mics: Sennheiser, AKG, Shure, Sanken, Audio-Technica, Audix
                Lights: Every Chinese clone you can imagine

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                • #38
                  It was quite clear from the beginning that the adapter plates were hot. You can for example see it powering the BMMCC and an external monitor in his first video plus vocal explanation that it works with lights and cameras by sliding them in.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m3tS2ZirIg

                  1:19 min

                  Please go through all info before spreading misinformation that quickly.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by stip View Post
                    It was quite clear from the beginning that the adapter plates were hot. You can for example see it powering the BMMCC and an external monitor in his first video plus vocal explanation that it works with lights and cameras by sliding them in.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m3tS2ZirIg

                    1:19 min

                    Please go through all info before spreading misinformation that quickly.
                    No misinformation was spread. I asked if anyone could confirm if they were hot, and nobody could. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that. You only see him "slide it on" and you don't hear any mention of "power" or see any of the devices turn on. With the amount of devices that use dummy plates it would be foolish to assume in this situation, especially without the explicit definition, and especially for the price-point of just a battery carrier.

                    You're welcome for the confirmation.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GeranSimpson View Post
                      It appears that the plates for the OLG batteries are dummy adapters, so cables are required for all uses.
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                      • #41
                        Which is entirely true. As you never see the device powered on and it’s never explicitly clarified on the campaign page.

                        You must not buy and sell on ebay or other sites very much. This exact omission of detail is enough to lose a case filed under “not as described.”

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                        • #42
                          I just sent Phill an email to clear up the controversy over the hot mount issue. Will post his reply when received.
                          Cheers

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                          • #43
                            No need.

                            "The battery pack will come with an LP-E6 plate so it can plug directly into the back of the micro without the need of an extra cable. In the video I'm using an NPF plate and an additional adapter because that's what I had at the time. With the LP-E6 plate the battery will fit more snuggly and sit lower to the Micro.

                            Cheers,

                            Phil"

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by GeranSimpson View Post
                              Which is entirely true. As you never see the device powered on and it’s never explicitly clarified on the campaign page.

                              You must not buy and sell on ebay or other sites very much. This exact omission of detail is enough to lose a case filed under “not as described.”
                              However by simply sending an email to Phil, and getting a quick reply from him you got a confirmation from Phil that the plated are not dummy plates, they are active hot plates. And I thank you for doing that. Doing that is exactly what any, say eBay, astute purchaser would have done. I apologize for my bad, my first response to you should have been simply, send an email to one little goat, in my experience Phil always emails back quickly.

                              I backed 2 of the the 13000 units immediately as backer number 3 and 7, and just now as backer number 100, 101 and 102. I would have been backer #1 if I didn’t have to go looking for my wallet.

                              In my humble opinion Phil Lemon is under appreciated.
                              On skin tones- "Give me mud and I will make the skin of Venus out of it, if you allow me to surround it as I please", Eugéne Delacroix

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                              • #45
                                OK, you beat me to the punch Geran, but I emailed Phil before seeing this post. His reply to me was similar, but additional detail’
                                Ahh, I will do an update and add to the FAQ. The battery handle attaches to
                                the LP6 slot on the back of the camera and powers it directly so no cable
                                is required.
                                Thanks for the heads up.
                                Phil


                                Phil and I go way back, since his first One Little Remote, I have bought each model, all his units are great, and well thought out.
                                Cheers

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