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  • #61
    Is it just me or does CQ Q0 Superman have slightly lower contrast or at the very least have a slightly more lifted toe?
    Let's call it lower micro contrast. Lower contrast can lower the perception of sharpness.

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    • #62
      https://imgur.com/a/S1irgHd#6xV9Jf5
      ProRes vs BRAW vs DNG

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      • #63
        Just did an article with some tests on BRAW and the "CDNG is gone" hysteria, if someone is interested

        https://frankglencairn.wordpress.com...-mater-at-all/
        Blog: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/

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        • #64
          Good piece Frank - calm the masses

          We did a series of tests outdoors the other day and once again, ProRes HQ looked comparable to Q0 and Q5 pixel peeping at 300%.
          The bottom line is that they're all great choices depending on your needs.

          I like you work a lot but I get the sense that our production schedules are a lot different in that I've got 5-6 projects in aquisition and 5-6 in edit - so ProRes directly to our FCPX workflow and turn around is just more practical right now than integrating Resolve and raw.

          But all of that is subject to change as we work with it more and as things evlolve.
          Great choices to have.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
            Just did an article with some tests on BRAW and the "CDNG is gone" hysteria, if someone is interested

            https://frankglencairn.wordpress.com...-mater-at-all/
            Thanks for this, Frank.

            My big concern over the loss of CDNG is that it is the only codec I've ever liked.
            It's the only codec I've ever shot on BMD cameras, and most to the point - it's the codec I KNOW.
            So I'm a little worried.
            But unlike most voices here, I'm far less worried about sharpness than I am COLOR. I push color and exposure around HARD. And CDNG has always given me far better room to push than any version of ProRes.
            So if BRAW is showing compression loss, then I'm worried about color quality. Can I push BRAW around as far as I am used to with CDNG? That's my concern.

            I never cared at all about file sizes with CDNG. In my work I usually have to supply lighting and rigging as well as cameras and glass, so the cost of large cards and hard drives has always been negligible to my expenses.
            Cameras: Blackmagic Cinema Camera, Blackmagic Pocket Camera (x2), Panasonic GH2 (x2), Sony RX100 ii, Canon 6D, Canon T2i,
            Mics: Sennheiser, AKG, Shure, Sanken, Audio-Technica, Audix
            Lights: Every Chinese clone you can imagine

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            • #66
              Can anyone explain how I'm able to record all flavors of BRAW on my 95MB/s SD card without dropped frames?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jimagine View Post
                Good piece Frank - calm the masses

                .. so ProRes directly to our FCPX workflow and turn around is just more practical right now than integrating Resolve and raw.
                Actually you not gonna see any difference with a raw workflow (given you use Resolve) - throw the files in the timeline and start working.
                This is even more true with BRAW, since it is even faster.

                If you need/want to work with FCPX, I can see your point though.
                Blog: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by DPStewart View Post
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                  My big concern over the loss of CDNG is that it is the only codec I've ever liked.
                  ...
                  So if BRAW is showing compression loss, then I'm worried about color quality. Can I push BRAW around as far as I am used to with CDNG? That's my concern.
                  .
                  Yeah, I know exactly what you mean Steward. After all those years CDNG became second nature to me.
                  I was able to expose it in sleep, and knew exactly what I will get, and how it will look and behave in post - even in critical situations.

                  Since I did most of my primary grading in the raw-tab, I was first put off by the somewhat limited BRAW raw-tab - it took quite a while to adjust, but now it's all good, and I have no problem to get the same results out of BRAW.
                  Blog: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
                    Just did an article with some tests on BRAW and the "CDNG is gone" hysteria, if someone is interested

                    https://frankglencairn.wordpress.com...-mater-at-all/
                    Frank - thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on the BRAW. I tend to agree that the uproar is an overreaction and once people make the adjustment over time, this will most likely be forgotten.

                    I am more concerned for those of us who still enjoy using the older cameras like the BMCC 2.5k that will surely not get the BRAW update and have CDNG as their only "Raw" option. Due to the patent deal will Davinci eventually no longer support CDNG, thus leaving us without a "Raw" option on these cameras in the future.
                    Last edited by dannyboy; 03-07-2019, 10:47 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                      Due to th patent deal will Davinci eventually no longer support CDNG, thus leaving us without a "Raw" option on these cameras in the future.
                      No worries - the patent covers only "compressed recording in camera" (not even uncompressed) - so Resolve will work just fine with DNGs in the future.
                      Blog: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/

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                      • #71
                        Thanks Frank. Covers much of what I was looking for in the other post.

                        I'm still a little concerned about what to do on those occasions where sharpness is the desired attribute. But like you I've spent a fair amount of effort and money diffusing.

                        Also like most of you I know CDNG really well.

                        It's a new world.

                        I always like an adventure.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
                          No worries - the patent covers only "compressed recording in camera" (not even uncompressed) - so Resolve will work just fine with DNGs in the future.
                          That is good to know!

                          I have to admit that I do wonder "why now." It seems like this might have come up at any time over the last 6 years, going back to when Red when after Sony. I wonder why it is coming up now? And why is the patent not applied to Arriraw?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Marshall Harrington View Post

                            I'm still a little concerned about what to do on those occasions where sharpness is the desired attribute.
                            Your delivery codec will throw any sharpness or image information differences between CDNG and BRAW out of the window anyway.
                            Blog: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
                              Actually you not gonna see any difference with a raw workflow (given you use Resolve) - throw the files in the timeline and start working.
                              This is even more true with BRAW, since it is even faster.
                              OK, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the workflow.

                              Obviously I had to use Resolve to do the Braw testing - i'm just not comfortable with the color management workflow.

                              What would be the settings at ingest and under the Camera setings in the Color pane, that would allow us to just drop the footage into the timeline?
                              I've got several shoots next week that I'd love to be shooting in smaller file sizes like 5:1 or 8:1

                              I'd love your input.
                              I'll even buy you a cigar

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
                                Just did an article with some tests on BRAW and the "CDNG is gone" hysteria, if someone is interested

                                https://frankglencairn.wordpress.com...-mater-at-all/
                                Thanks for the tests and sharing your insights on this new codec Frank. I know how methodical you do your tests and articles even way back to dvx days and the invasion of the spinning and vibrating adapters!
                                Ted Ramasola

                                www.ramasolaproductions.com

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