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  • #31
    I’m hoping blackmagic announces a major firmware update for the P4K to include bug fixes like T5 SSD recognition, battery % accuracy, camera shutting off (sometimes) when plugging in mains power, preamps improvement (if possible like they did with the bmpcc years ago), white balance (seems to be off) and obviously BRAW implementation. Honestly if they just fixed the ssd issue and implemented BRAW, that would be stellar.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by dop16mm View Post
      Not that surprising, they value colour and dynamic range over resolution. Everyone else just wants more resolution and/or higher ISO. Arri won't compromise, they won't use a pixel pitch smaller than the Alev sensor, so they make bigger sensors. The Lf camera wasn't made because everyone wants to shoot Full frame, it was made for Netflix's absurd 4K acquisition requirements. 3k Alexa was always good enough for IMAX blow up but not highly compressed streaming tv, so dumb.
      Yeah I dont understand why the big companies dont understand this. They would sell a shitload camera's if they could make something affordable at even 1080p. They know everybody wants to shoot alexa, mindboggling to me why they are investing in 8K, IBIS, ISO 100000, DPAF. We want high DR, amazing colours, and a image that is easily tweaked in post. (something bm still needs to work on)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by polaroid22 View Post
        Yeah I dont understand why the big companies dont understand this. They would sell a shitload camera's if they could make something affordable at even 1080p. They know everybody wants to shoot alexa, mindboggling to me why they are investing in 8K, IBIS, ISO 100000, DPAF. We want high DR, amazing colours, and a image that is easily tweaked in post. (something bm still needs to work on)

        To be fair Alexa is still upresing to 4k, so 4k is a key component. They wouldn't make any money putting out a 1080p only camera now.

        Maybe not for all types of shooting but 4k has saved me a bunch of times simply being able to punch in and deliver at 1080. Mostly for coroorate stuff but still.

        Another point to me is that the pocket 4k looks a lot more like modern cinema than the original. Not sharp so to speak but full of detail where the original could start to get mashed a bit when given too much detail, not to mention the moire.

        So to me 4k is a welcome addition.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by John Brawley View Post
          They are shipping cameras, so your prediction is already true !
          The P4K has been their most successful camera in terms of sales. Its going to take them a while to deal with that pent up success.

          JB
          BM is shipping cameras like a dripping faucet.
          You probably will get more out of a dripping faucet.
          Maybe in 2019 BM will discover what on time delivery and quality control are.
          I'm not holding my breath.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
            BM is shipping cameras like a dripping faucet.
            You probably will get more out of a dripping faucet.
            Maybe in 2019 BM will discover what on time delivery and quality control are.
            I'm not holding my breath.
            I am curious: how many products with world wide pre-orders up to a hundred thousand have you launched so far so you could do it better?
            Are you aware that because of the high demand it is not possible to deliver on time to everyone, even though they ship several thousand cameras each month?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Robert Niessner View Post
              I am curious: how many products with world wide pre-orders up to a hundred thousand have you launched so far so you could do it better?
              Are you aware that because of the high demand it is not possible to deliver on time to everyone, even though they ship several thousand cameras each month?
              Oh come on.
              When has BM ever delivered on time?
              Once?
              Quality control.
              Never.
              Fantasies are supposed to be part of the story board.
              Not what the camera man believes about life.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by polaroid22 View Post
                Yeah I dont understand why the big companies dont understand this. They would sell a shitload camera's if they could make something affordable at even 1080p. They know everybody wants to shoot alexa, mindboggling to me why they are investing in 8K, IBIS, ISO 100000, DPAF. We want high DR, amazing colours, and a image that is easily tweaked in post. (something bm still needs to work on)
                Truly depends on the consumer because what you mentioned we'd want is at the end of my list while DPAF and high ISOs are the top 2. IBIS is in the top 5 but I can also live without it. And 4K resolution is important, however, superior HD from a 4K-6K-8K sensor would work as well.

                For unpredictable corporate work/events in low-light environments for clients who love shallow DOF but have constantly moving subjects who can't sit still, I can't do anything with high DR or amazing colors.

                And there are hundreds of thousands of others who feel the same which is why those investments are made. People NEED those features.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Steve Madsen View Post
                  Please don't do that. They knew exactly what they had on their hands after the success of the original Pocket. This is simply a competence issue.
                  Perhaps they've made a decision not to ramp up production to save on costs, but that is on them.

                  Or they have been overwhelmed by success ? Like..if they've already shipped thousands of cameras and they're still backordered ?

                  Originally posted by Steve Madsen View Post
                  They make few if any announcements, give next to no updates. They leave their resellers and consumers in the dark.
                  Like...they have always done ? They're consistent in the way the impart information.

                  Originally posted by Steve Madsen View Post
                  BM deserve credit for their achievements and they deserve to be called out for their shortcomings.
                  And you've done so.

                  Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
                  Maybe in 2019 BM will discover what on time delivery and quality control are.
                  I'm not holding my breath.
                  They shipped the P4K when they said they would. Some have had some bad battery doors ? What else is there that I've missed ?

                  Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
                  Oh come on.
                  When has BM ever delivered on time?
                  Once?
                  They have actually. You can pretend otherwise if you want to keep pushing the myth.

                  JB

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
                    Truly depends on the consumer because what you mentioned we'd want is at the end of my list while DPAF and high ISOs are the top 2. IBIS is in the top 5 but I can also live without it. And 4K resolution is important, however, superior HD from a 4K-6K-8K sensor would work as well.

                    For unpredictable corporate work/events in low-light environments for clients who love shallow DOF but have constantly moving subjects who can't sit still, I can't do anything with high DR or amazing colors.

                    And there are hundreds of thousands of others who feel the same which is why those investments are made. People NEED those features.
                    DPAF from Canon is really the one to beat.
                    DR, RAW it's all there in deep enough shades.
                    More DR is overrated.
                    We're already there.
                    And others already deliver on much higher low light capabilities.
                    Those who say they don't want autofocus, are saying that because their favorite pony can't deliver on that.
                    They have no clue what it's like to really have, real useable, autofocus in a cinema camera.
                    Once they have it, they will never go back.
                    And gradeability, others are winning that game as well.
                    But they started with deliverables and quality.
                    BM has some catching up to do.

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                    • #40
                      I had my first taste of DPAF with the 7D Mark II in 2015 (the same time I owned a big URSA)...I was hooked since then with the 5D Mark IV being my main choice.

                      Don't get me wrong; I love BM and once would fight to the death for them, but my priorities changed over time and I learned I really hate manual focusing.

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                      • #41
                        Im hoping for BRAW to be released for other BMD Cameras/Devices.
                        Sure, Id like it on my BMCC 2,5k too, but that probably wont happen. But I was kinda disappointed, that they ended the support for the 5" Video Assist relatively fast.

                        Besides this Im guessing there are further Resove Extensions planned, making it even more usable for the entire workflow.

                        On the Camera side of things Im hoping they stick with image quality over resolution. As for the IBIS and/or autofocus-discussion, I think as long as they prioritize the cinema camera market, autofocus isnt nessecary, IBIS on the other side would be a nice addition, making it possible to avoid those micro movements when filming handheld or when using lenses without IS.
                        So my predictions:

                        1. BRAW for other Cameras
                        2. More Resolve Features
                        3. IBIS with the next BMD Camera Generation

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by NorBro View Post
                          Truly depends on the consumer because what you mentioned we'd want is at the end of my list while DPAF and high ISOs are the top 2. IBIS is in the top 5 but I can also live without it. And 4K resolution is important, however, superior HD from a 4K-6K-8K sensor would work as well.

                          For unpredictable corporate work/events in low-light environments for clients who love shallow DOF but have constantly moving subjects who can't sit still, I can't do anything with high DR or amazing colors.

                          And there are hundreds of thousands of others who feel the same which is why those investments are made. People NEED those features.
                          Sure but then you are not shooting cinema. You are doing event work. There are billion camera's out there that already offer these features. (Not that im actually shooting cinema, but would love this for personal projects and commercial work)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
                            DPAF from Canon is really the one to beat.
                            DR, RAW it's all there in deep enough shades.
                            More DR is overrated.
                            We're already there.
                            And others already deliver on much higher low light capabilities.
                            Those who say they don't want autofocus, are saying that because their favorite pony can't deliver on that.
                            They have no clue what it's like to really have, real useable, autofocus in a cinema camera.
                            Once they have it, they will never go back.
                            And gradeability, others are winning that game as well.
                            But they started with deliverables and quality.
                            BM has some catching up to do.
                            Yeah gotta admit, I never used autofocus. But I am invested in manual glass mostly anyway. Changing iris on the lens is one of the best features ever (for me), I wish more companies would release manual lenses.
                            DPAF is great and all for event work, but BM is making cinema camera, and every cinema lens out there is manual as far as I know.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by RAWlover View Post
                              Oh come on.
                              When has BM ever delivered on time?
                              Once?
                              Quality control.
                              Never.
                              Fantasies are supposed to be part of the story board.
                              Not what the camera man believes about life.
                              Well, they have delivered on time - got my PCC4K as one of the first (I was surprised to be honest, but I also had preordered while watching the live presentation).
                              Only in fanatasy land one could believe that everyone who had pre-ordered will get the camera all in the same month.

                              I don't have to believe about life, I have an mechanical engineering degree and before I changed my profession I have worked in the industry on new, never been done before products where we tried to establish a steady production line.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ryanite View Post
                                To be fair Alexa is still upresing to 4k, so 4k is a key component. They wouldn't make any money putting out a 1080p only camera now.

                                Maybe not for all types of shooting but 4k has saved me a bunch of times simply being able to punch in and deliver at 1080. Mostly for coroorate stuff but still.

                                Another point to me is that the pocket 4k looks a lot more like modern cinema than the original. Not sharp so to speak but full of detail where the original could start to get mashed a bit when given too much detail, not to mention the moire.

                                So to me 4k is a welcome addition.

                                If they hadn't brought the Upresing to certain Arri cameras so late (and kind of pointed to the issue), nobody would care. The algorithm is good, nobody really cares about 4K image information apart from Netflix.
                                Heck, the biggest blockbusters are throwing 80% of the 6K of an Alexa65 out of the window by putting Panatars in front of the sensor. I'm wondering if those would actually even resolve UHD.

                                I think the gread misconception about resolution in cameras is that half of the discussion is about sharpness / information, the other half about the amount of pixels - no matter if they contain any additional information.

                                4K is only a must because streaming services, maybe some stations (in Austria and Germany most TV stations broadcast 720p / 1080i the last time i checked) and clients demand it. They don't care about the actual information within the UHD file.
                                That's why the Super35 Arris are still going to float arround for years, because the upresed UHD would just look better to most people than UHD from 6K Sony or 8K Red.

                                Resolution only sells TVs, everybody else could care less.

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