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  • P4K Bolex Style Shooting

    One thing I always loved most about the original Pocket was rigging it with a pistol grip and loupe. Focusing by hand, you would have this incredible lightweight, handheld, but stable shooting setup, which could fit literally anywhere.

    Has anyone tried a similar setup with the Pocket4k? How is the balance with the larger, heavier body? Any loupes that you would recommend? Are long shooting hours that way feasible?

    Of course, rigging a proper shoulder-style setup is always an option as well, with a follow focus etc. But this Bolex-Style shooting always felt so liberating and pure, so I would love to be able to do that with the new Pocket as well.

    Looking for any and all advice, pictures, experiences etc - let me know!
    Last edited by Paul Jonathan; 11-05-2018, 03:58 PM.

  • #2
    The 4k is twice as heavy as the original Pocket but it's still only about 1.5 lbs without a lens. Can't remember how heavy the original BMCC was but this definitely seems lighter.

    Honestly, it feels a *little* cheap but maybe that's just because of the material and how light it is. Looking forward to getting a cage to add just a little more heft and balance it out.

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    • #3
      I think the screen size would be a problem for loupe, but maybe a shoulder stock could work as an extra contact point rather than your eye. Would still be much smaller than a full counter balanced offset shoulder mount.

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      • #4
        I haven't tried it, but...looks interesting.

        https://www.gridaccessories.com/prod...-0-viewfinder/

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        • #5
          Interesting idea with the shoulder stock @dop16mm! I came across a 5" loupe, made by GRID accessories, a few people used in on the BMCC way back apparently.

          @TravisA with mount not going as far out as on the original pocket, is there enough space to put your hand comfortably around the lens for manual focusing? Especially with short still lenses, like the Nikon AIs for example.

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          • #6
            With small lenses, dump the pistol grip, Palm the camera and focus with thumb and forefinger, the grip looks beefy enough for right hand stability. Some kind of chest rest, shoulder stock thing, might help. I always thought that fold up rig that edelchrone makes looks cool, but alas a tad pricey for me so can't recommend bested on experience.

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            • #7
              I have one f those Edelkrone folding Pocket Rigs available, $100 plus shipping, it is new unit in an open box. PM me if interested.
              Cheers

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              • #8
                I'm making a 3D-printed loupe for my p4k, may be able to sell some once the design is finished if anybody's interested. I use a 75mm 7.5 diopters non-coated optical glass, it makes the screen look HUGE and cover all my vision, I love it. The biggest trouble I'm having is cutting a big-enough hole on the lower and right side of the screen for touch operation while keeping the loupe structurally sound and the image not too spoiled by stray light.

                Then I'll put the camera on my cheap MagicRig, holding the handle with my left hand and the camera grip, focus and controls with my right hand.
                My YouTube channel

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                • #9
                  Samuel, that sounds interesting! Instead of doing a cutout for touch-screen operation (which will let in stray light) - may I suggest using a strong magnetic frame? For the original Pocket I had a loupe that was on a lanyard, so I could simply clip it off and leave it hanging around my neck and operate the camera from the screen.

                  An aside, since the forum search doesn't show up anything. Is the USB-C port on the camera up to spec? I.e. can you power external accessories up to 5v 2a from it? I know then you'll have to change batteries even more often, but in the interest of keeping it as small and light as possible, this might interesting for wireless video!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Denny Smith View Post
                    I have one f those Edelkrone folding Pocket Rigs available, $100 plus shipping, it is new unit in an open box. PM me if interested.
                    Cheers
                    Is it one of these?
                    https://edelkrone.com/products/pocketrig-2

                    That could go a long way to creating a Bolex style rig, even with a loupe added.

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                    • #11
                      For my original BMPCC I got this little Polaroid rig:

                      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Polaroid-Vi...s=polaroid+rig

                      and use it with a Zacuto loupe - works really well, pretty light weight and very comfortable to use - haven't taken it travelling yet, but will fit into a smallish camera bag easy

                      p.s - you get what you pay for and the rod clamps are quite loose - replaced with some nice Smallrig ones and whole rig still came out at around £65 (minus the Zacuto, which I already had)

                      also strong enough to work with P4K - and I intend to get the GRID loupe too complete the rig for that

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Samuel H View Post
                        I'm making a 3D-printed loupe for my p4k, may be able to sell some once the design is finished if anybody's interested. I use a 75mm 7.5 diopters non-coated optical glass, it makes the screen look HUGE and cover all my vision, I love it. The biggest trouble I'm having is cutting a big-enough hole on the lower and right side of the screen for touch operation while keeping the loupe structurally sound and the image not too spoiled by stray light.

                        Then I'll put the camera on my cheap MagicRig, holding the handle with my left hand and the camera grip, focus and controls with my right hand.
                        Interesting Samuel!
                        What about using glasses? Could it use diopters for presbyopia? (presbicia, vamos)

                        Echaré un ojo para seguir los adelantos, a ver qué tal

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                        • #13
                          I don't use glasses, I'm far from an expert in the kinds of lenses available
                          I just used a 7.5-diopters lens I had around from a previous project (my DIY LED fresnel lights, which don't use fresnel lenses but optical-grade lenses)
                          My YouTube channel

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Samuel H View Post
                            I don't use glasses, I'm far from an expert in the kinds of lenses available
                            I just used a 7.5-diopters lens I had around from a previous project (my DIY LED fresnel lights, which don't use fresnel lenses but optical-grade lenses)
                            No Samuel; I was thinking about your design.
                            For example, for the original bmpcc I use the Kinotehnik LCDVFBM LCD Viewfinder which features 37mm threading to attach diopter correction lenses
                            http://shop.kinotehnik.com/product/lcdvf-bm
                            But I don't know how your design is, surely it's very different.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by trispembo View Post
                              Is it one of these?
                              https://edelkrone.com/products/pocketrig-2

                              That could go a long way to creating a Bolex style rig, even with a loupe added.
                              Yes, but the Ver 1 unit, so a little lighter and compact than the Ver2

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