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  • Pocket 4K red clipping

    I dit some test to show how the BMPCC4K handles the red channel, after finding red blotches when shooting at night in the streets. When shooting raw, there is a solution provided by Captain Hook : add a nod in resolve with color transform and saturation mapping. It works very well. But the problem is : how does it works with a prores file and a prores file shot in video log ? It seems that the saturation mapping can affect some other parts of the image that are also saturated. And, another problem is that in this specific situations were reds are clipping, you just can't simply throw your files in any editing software, you have to put it through resolve.
    Is it an issue that could be solved with a new firmware ?

    https://vimeo.com/295448282

    https://vimeo.com/295442578

  • #2
    ProRes in log gamma works almost same as RAW.
    It seems there is a bug in Resolve 15. ProRes clips are always set to Rec709 on import. You need manually change input color space to pocket4K log.
    Can you share original clip?

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    • #3
      You can download the original files in vimeo.
      I don't think it comes from a bug in resolve. Others NLE such as Premiere CC and FCPX interpret the footage the same way. You still have to use a node with saturation mapping in transform color to correct the reds, but it will affect others colors from your prores images.
      Last edited by slothorp; 10-17-2018, 11:37 PM.

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      • #4
        I mean original ProRes log footage. Or did you shot it in Extended video mode? Baked LUTs always may produce problems
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        • #5
          In the interior test, these are the original footages, shot both in film log and in Extended video mode.

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          • #6
            Footage exported from video editing app with unknown settings and unknown workflow is not original. I remember it was a thread about UM4.6K with early firmware and it produced similar single color clipping with theatre lights when overexposed. So it could be firmware bug. Try do not overexpose. Digital sensors are hard clipping in highlights but keeps a lot of additional information in shadows.
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            • #7
              There was absolutely no color correction applied and you can find attached the project settings in the color management. Besides, the same original files in others NLEs show same clipping. Only Resolve with the color transform tool can handle the problem.
              I hear what you say about overexposing. But you can't control red lights in the streets coming from cars or traffic lights at night.




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              • #8
                You put ProRes Log footage on non color managed Rec709 timeline without setting input color space. This is wrong workflow.
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                • #9
                  You can't set the input color space when you are in Davinci YRGB color science, only the timeline colourspace.
                  Anyway, here is a link to original prores files, shot at f2.8, 400 and 3200 iso, and log film and log extended video (EV). Footages with blue color are just here to show how differently the camera handle others colors, with smooth highlight roll off :

                  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d6p9k043v...h43D4Aw-a?dl=0






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                  • #10
                    This just shows that the camera is capable of producing color gamuts beyond the limits of common display color spaces. This is a good thing. Resolve handles it well if you use YRGB color management to do mathematically correct color space conversion.
                    My Digital Bolex produces an extremely broad color gamut in raw, beyond DCI-P3 or REC2020.
                    The workflow I follow is to set the input color gamut to native camera color space and gamut, for Bolex CDNG that is CIE XYZ linear gamma. Then set the timeline to the color space you want to grade in. I normally use REC709 2.4 gamma. If you want to use LUTS, the timeline should be set to the colorspace and gamma the LUT was created for.
                    This process correctly modifies the color gamut of the camera to conform to the display color space without chroma clipping.

                    This is a short tutorial I did for Bolex users:
                    PS: Sorry, imbed is not working for me.

                    https://vimeo.com/260570417
                    Last edited by razz16mm; 10-18-2018, 05:00 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Just checked samples and it feels like really something broken. Really strange. Red color highlights are distorted even when watching in LOG. Maybe wrong camera settings? Bad factory firmware calibration bug? Worst case - sensor defect. Did you ask BM support about this?
                      P.S. Any digital sensor capture extremely wide color gamut so there is nothing special here.
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                      • #12
                        It doesn't come from my camera as the clipping can be seen in others footages on you tube :

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                        • #13
                          Might be an issue with colour science 4?

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                          • #14
                            Looked at the samples in the Resolve color page using scopes. The shots are overexposed. The table lamp shot is way overexposed. Night street scene is about 1-1/2 stops overexposed Hot lights are hard clipped on the scopes regardless of how much you pull levels down.
                            Last edited by razz16mm; 10-18-2018, 03:49 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by razz16mm View Post
                              Looked at the samples in the Resolve color page using scopes. The shots are overexposed. The table lamp shot is way overexposed. Night street scene is about 1-1/2 stops overexposed Hot lights are hard clipped on the scopes regardless of how much you pull levels down.
                              But why is it that red lights look especially funky? where the white lights look very natural, I think something might still be off. There was a similar issue like this with ACES colour space where clipping lights where not represented correctly and required a work around. The fact that you can repair it says to me something isn't quite right.

                              This is all from the Micro Cinema,

                              So this first one is V1 colour science with the Extended Video Lut 4k + some saturation
                              v1_1.6.3.jpg

                              This one is V4 with extended video lut 4k
                              v4_1.6.1.jpg

                              And this one is V4 with saturation mapped
                              V4 saturation mapped_1.6.2.jpg

                              Now since this is all with a micro cinema I'm not sure on it's accuracy plus I'm using the extended video lut but it's something I noticed.

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