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  • Originally posted by M&M's View Post
    The latest firmware for the D16 seems to have got the colours sorted out.
    Unfortunately there are still some problems as of firmware 1.5.1--there's an issue with blue shadows, especially at higher ISOs and lower colour temperatures. If you use SlimRAW you can work around it though, which is what I do.

    As another historical clarification though, the thing that really sank the D16 was that the company making the sensor (TrueSense) got bought by another company (ON-Semiconductor) and then jacked up prices. The cost of those sensors got so high that they'd have to charge more per camera, which would hurt their already small sales. Joe is still really motivated to make a Mk2 version and also a D35, but the money just isn't there right now. Eddie and the guys have even picked out the sensor they want to use already but like I said, there's a slim chance it'd ever happen.

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    • Originally posted by Alex.Mitchell View Post
      Joe is still really motivated to make a Mk2 version and also a D35, but the money just isn't there right now. Eddie and the guys have even picked out the sensor they want to use already but like I said, there's a slim chance it'd ever happen.
      Wow ! That is really interesting! Do you think Joee ever comes by here ? (Hey Joe, love your camera!) A Mk2 would be wonderbar ! How much are they talking to get it up and going ? Kickstarter money or Zuckerberg money ?

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      • Originally posted by M&M's View Post
        Wow ! That is really interesting! Do you think Joee ever comes by here ? (Hey Joe, love your camera!) A Mk2 would be wonderbar ! How much are they talking to get it up and going ? Kickstarter money or Zuckerberg money ?
        I don't think Joe swings by but Eddie used to lurk here; pretty sure he even posted in this thread before. It's a significant amount of money they'd need though; the kickstarter cash was just a fraction of what they'd raised for all the costs they'd need to cover before they delivered the first body. Like I said, there's very little chance it'd happen. Still, if you have a spare few million just laying around under the seat in your Porsche I'm sure they'd love to oblige you.

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        • My Porsche is off the road - needs new tyres !

          Well if its not something that could be raised on Kickstarter then its most likely not going to happen. Shame because they managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat once before. Would be amazing to see what they could do with later tech then they had back in the day.

          I suppose the most common sense approach to all this then is to carry on down the path of the UMB (for true S16) and keep on eye on the for sale columns for the day a good D16 package at a reasonable price pops up.

          It almost seems that the D16 is a way to be a Purple Cow (if you have not read this book by Seth Godin you are missing out on a gem) in a crowded "I can shot movies too" atmosphere.

          One thing I always find amusing....the camera is only 400 ISO. When I first started shooting, Kodachrome 64 was the gold standard, Ektachrome 100 was as fast as you dared if you wanted some semblance of quality and 400 was out on the edge Fassssssst if you could deal with all the grain !

          Looking at todays ISO's I dont know how we managed to survive and tell the tale at ISO 64 and 100.


          **Edit**

          Because I am such a swell guy, I am posting this link to make it easy for you. You can repay me later. I prefer to be paid in beautiful S16 glass. Thanks.

          https://seths.blog/
          Last edited by M&M's; 05-23-2019, 10:44 PM.

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          • Interesting, reminds me of a editorial columnist I once knew. Going back to the D16, one mint kit just sold at auction for $5650, on eBay, another sits there for around $7K price as a BIN. When the D16 was first discontinued, I had a chance to get a mint copy of the latest version for $3800, kind of wish I had now...
            Cheers
            Last edited by Denny Smith; 05-25-2019, 06:41 PM.

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            • So Denny, looks like you followed my link then.....

              OK so that will be one Angenieux 7-81mm HR S16 zoom please. I already have its big brother the 11.5-138mm HR Zoom. I think the 7-81mm is a later model though ??

              Seth Godin speaks such clear common sense. I like his straight to the point no clutter style - and what he speaks IS how things are if you want to achieve in this life.

              Yeah I have looked up the D16 on the place that costs me so much money (how many more lenses will satan tempt me to buy?) and as you say the prices...... So maybe, just maybe the D16 footage IS highly valued ...just not by users here.

              Still, it's hard to justify spending that much on an older design when the newer tech cameras are Sooooooo good (looking at you UMP G2) and for less money. Sometimes the world is just not fair....or we have become too complacent about what to expect from a camera for (relatively - compared to even 10 years ago) little money.

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              • Originally posted by M&M's View Post
                One thing I always find amusing....the camera is only 400 ISO.
                Not to be pedantic but the D16's in-camera ISO range was 100-800, with the camera performing its best around 160-200. Since it's just a metadata flag anyway you could always push it higher if you wanted though; I've pushed to ISO 1600, which cleans up nicely with DaVinci Resolve's built in noise-reduction.

                Also, I'm not 100% sure where you're getting these prices from. D16's regularly sell on the D16 Facebook group for around $4,000.

                [Edit] Case in point...
                Last edited by Alex.Mitchell; 05-25-2019, 05:17 PM.

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                • This is the one I saw the other day Alex https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bolex-D16-D...UAAOSwBQ9c3uFY
                  This is the one that sold: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Bol...4AAOSwvBFcr98V

                  I was off, it sold for $5650. But in early April, another mint one sold for $7100!
                  Cheers
                  Last edited by Denny Smith; 05-25-2019, 07:04 PM.

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                  • While I like the form factor of the DB the IQ came up short. Its look nice in good lighting but so does other cameras.
                    You can buy a lightly used original Alexa for £5k now.

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                    • Originally posted by Taikonaut View Post
                      While I like the form factor of the DB the IQ came up short. Its look nice in good lighting but so does other cameras.
                      You can buy a lightly used original Alexa for £5k now.
                      Itís funny, I feel the exact opposite. What about the image doesnít speak to you? The thing Iíll say wholeheartedly is that you have to go through a lot of rigmarole to get the best quality from the D16 but Iím VERY happy with how it looks. Youíd be surprised how many cameras do have a mediocre look when you expose them in a bright room btw.

                      The Alexa is an amazing camera and it is awesome to see them dropping in price. I canít tell you how happy I am that film co-ops in my province can afford to supply them for their members now, considering that theyíve shot some of the most incredible looking films of the decade. I guess for me what it comes down to is that the D16 has a few things up its sleeve that I have always really preferred and that Iím willing to compromise for. The way it renders motion is something Iím a BIG fan of, for example. Thatís not me saying that the D16 is a competitor to the Alexa, not by a long shot, but at the end of the day I feel like Iíve become comfortable enough with the D16 that I can get the images I want, and thatís what matters. I have A LOT of suggestions for the D16v2, if it ever comes, but for now I feel like I can focus on the artistry rather than the other fluff.

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                      • While not a GS, the Ursa Broadcast comes close with 9ms sensor readout time, it also has a nice motion cadence look.
                        Cheers

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                        • Originally posted by Alex.Mitchell View Post
                          I have A LOT of suggestions for the D16v2
                          So the cat is out of the bag.....time to fess up Alex. What do you know ;-)

                          I will pre-order, do you have a link ?

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                          • Originally posted by Denny Smith View Post
                            While not a GS, the Ursa Broadcast comes close with 9ms sensor readout time, it also has a nice motion cadence look.
                            Cheers
                            Don't get me wrong here; a fast rolling shutter is fine. A lot of great work has been shot with cameras that have them and you could make the argument that a 5ms read-reset rolling shutter accurately emulates the spinning mirror in a film camera, but it still has never felt right to me. Even on an Alexa, I'm still just not in love with how handheld looks. I'm not saying they're un-cinematic or even that I'm not just tainted by pretence and placebos, but I like the way motion looks on my D16 and I haven't really found that anywhere else.

                            Originally posted by M&M's View Post
                            So the cat is out of the bag.....time to fess up Alex.
                            Ugh, dude, don't be like that. Even as a joke the whole culture surrounding business insider rumours is very frustrating. There's no D16v2 and I sincerely doubt there ever will be; I just like thinking out loud about stuff I'd change if there ever was. Nothing more.

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                            • In my opinion DB had a misfortune of debuting around the same time as Blackmagic entering into the camera business. It was a small private enterprise backed with kickstarter money vs a big tech company with manufacturing prowess and service backup that in all was difficult to match. Had it not been for BMD I would most likely have bought a Digital Bolex. Who knows the company might not have folded and could even have been a major player today if the BMCC and Pocket cameras weren't around.

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                              • Originally posted by Alex.Mitchell View Post
                                Ugh, dude, don't be like that. Even as a joke the whole culture surrounding business insider rumours is very frustrating. There's no D16v2 and I sincerely doubt there ever will be; I just like thinking out loud about stuff I'd change if there ever was. Nothing more.
                                Yeah sure Alex. Just skylarking. It would be so cool if there WAS a D16 II but we all know that will most likely never happen. Now having said that, just the other day I was posting on a forum saying how there are no mini ITX boards with TB3 40 Gb/s ports onboard...and low and behold ASROCK announce a m-itx board at computex with exactly that....a 40 Gb/s TB type C port on an AMD chipset (X570) for the new Ryzen Zen 2 CPU series...... so never say never !

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