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  • The reason for no ND in the URSA Mini

    Reading Stu Maschwitz NAB wrap up post over at prolost.com and he mentions speaking to a BM rep about the reason for no internal ND's on the Mini and he was told "We don't have the optical expertise to do it well yet" so that clears that up

    For the record I like internal ND but its not something that makes or breaks a camera for me.
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  • #2
    OK, I can deal with using a mattebox and 4x4 NDs for daylight exteriors. But should I be getting NDs that also have IR filtering? Any info yet, on how susceptible the 4.6K sensor is to IR contamination?

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    • #3
      Time to buy a company, bmd. Maybe caldwell and metabones
      Dustin Uy-Filmmaker

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      • #4
        The Arri 435 is great and all but when I run and gun with it I'm very limited. Sucks to have to call up my 2nd AC to fly some ND in. Why couldn't Arri just put in an ND wheel?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Taylor Magyar View Post
          The Arri 435 is great and all but when I run and gun with it I'm very limited. Sucks to have to call up my 2nd AC to fly some ND in. Why couldn't Arri just put in an ND wheel?
          How can you shoot with Arri 435? It's so bad in low light.

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          • #6
            Stickied. =P

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DanChevalier View Post
              How can you shoot with Arri 435? It's so bad in low light.
              5289/7289 Vision 800T- for that Donnie Darko look.

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              • #8
                Here's the thing about ND filters:

                They're a small, needless luxury.
                But so is video production.

                Some people would hardly use them (fiction shooters).
                But some people would flip that switch all the time (documentary shooters). And now they have to unscrew and screw on a fragile, fiddly, easy-to-lose, circular piece of glass.

                It seems so spoiled to whine about a little thing.
                But it seems so easy to have just added it.

                That last point is the most important. Manufacturers either are totally overlooking it or are not explaining to their customers why they consciously omitted them.

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                I'm sorry that doesn't make any sense.

                "We don't have the optical expertise to do it well."

                That doesn't make any sense either, especially for a company that can handle making a Super-16 camera that records to Prores that fits in your pocket, for a company that has enough money to buy other companies like DaVinci and Cintel.

                We may be wrong. Making a 1" x 0.5" piece of tinted glass that slides into place may be an mechanical and optical Pandora's Box. But it sure doesn't seem like it is, and the explanations so far stink!
                Last edited by combatentropy; 04-29-2015, 09:11 PM.

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                • #9
                  This is my solution to no built in NDs.
                  Worked great on the A7, FS100, BMPC and my Ursa Micr.. I mean D16

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by combatentropy View Post
                    Here's the thing about ND filters:

                    They're a small, needless luxury.
                    But so is video production.

                    Some people would hardly use them (fiction shooters).
                    But some people would flip that switch all the time (documentary shooters). And now they have to unscrew and screw on a fragile, fiddly, easy-to-lose, circular piece of glass.

                    It seems so spoiled to whine about a little thing.
                    But it seems so easy to have just added it.

                    That last point is the most important. Manufacturers either are totally overlooking it or are not explaining to their customers why they consciously omitted them.

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                    I'm sorry that doesn't make any sense.

                    "We don't have the optical expertise to do it well."

                    That doesn't make any sense either, especially for a company that can handle making a Super-16 camera that records to Prores that fits in your pocket, for a company that has enough money to buy other companies like DaVinci and Cintel.

                    We may be wrong. Making a 1" x 0.5" piece of tinted glass that slides into place may be an mechanical and optical Pandora's Box. But it sure doesn't seem like it is, and the explanations so far stink!
                    Yep, that pretty much sums it up for me too.

                    Steve

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Taylor Magyar View Post
                      5289/7289 Vision 800T- for that Donnie Darko look.
                      Too grainy for me. I want the image to be clear as a day when I'm shooting in darkness.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by m0fe View Post
                        Reading Stu Maschwitz NAB wrap up post over at prolost.com and he mentions speaking to a BM rep about the reason for no internal ND's on the Mini and he was told "We don't have the optical expertise to do it well yet" so that clears that up

                        For the record I like internal ND but its not something that makes or breaks a camera for me.
                        Except....

                        They designed an EVF that has....optics

                        :-)

                        JB

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                        • #13
                          According to Dan May, the B4 Broadcast Mount for the big URSA is "still on the table." This probably requires optics and/or a different sensor, and is, to me, the most likely place to first find an ND wheel in a BM product. OTOH, the B4 option for URSA is no longer on the website. That's a lot of new territory for BM, and in a direction away from Cinema and Studio. It's ENG.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanChevalier View Post
                            Too grainy for me. I want the image to be clear as a day when I'm shooting in darkness.
                            May I suggest the A7s, just hold it real still... lol. That last sentance sounds like one of those famous "client" quotes. "I want it dark, but also like daylight"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Steve Wake View Post
                              According to Dan May, the B4 Broadcast Mount for the big URSA is "still on the table." This probably requires optics and/or a different sensor, and is, to me, the most likely place to first find an ND wheel in a BM product. OTOH, the B4 option for URSA is no longer on the website. That's a lot of new territory for BM, and in a direction away from Cinema and Studio. It's ENG.
                              Steve, the B4 Broadcast version of URSA includes internal ND. Just not available yet.

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