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  • #16
    Originally posted by federer_express View Post
    This is true. But buying an adapter that is same price as the camera?
    Originally posted by federer_express View Post
    I find the sharpness is pretty good with the adapter I have, it's just sensitive to very bright light. Do you know if there is an aftermarket coating I can apply to it? Maybe take it to an optician?
    I don't think you understand how this whole videography/camera thing works. If you have a quality setup the camera will often times be one of the cheaper components of your system. For an ideal Blackmagic pocket setup light will pass through a UV/IR filter, ND filter, lens, speedbooster, +/- mosaic aliasing/moire filter. With that many air/glass interfaces from a myriad of manufacturers you really think there is any room for being cheap or getting all that for less than $495?

    Not sure what country you live in but in the US opticians make six figures and require a graduate degree to get licensed. You really think they are going to do a custom lens coating job for less than a few hundred dollars a pop?

    The metabones bmpcc ef adapter is not just an optical marvel. It is also as far as I can tell the only semi-reliable way to use Canon's excellent IS on a bmpcc. There is a lot of electrical engineering that goes into that speedbooster. I'm sure they are making a nice profit on it but I doubt someone can pull off what they have for a cheap price. Honestly can you even control the lens' aperture on any of these knock off speedboosters?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Taikonaut View Post
      The Metabone speedbooster should be viewed in the context of a lens or more rightly so increasing your lens collection rather than just an adapter. Also think of it as changing the sensor of your camera into a lowlight beast so what we have here is a BMCC or BMPCC with somethng close to having a S35 sensor.
      That's a good point. But with these Chinese knockoffs being so good, it's hard to justify the price.

      Originally posted by VidShooter View Post
      I don't think you understand how this whole videography/camera thing works. If you have a quality setup the camera will often times be one of the cheaper components of your system. For an ideal Blackmagic pocket setup light will pass through a UV/IR filter, ND filter, lens, speedbooster, +/- mosaic aliasing/moire filter. With that many air/glass interfaces from a myriad of manufacturers you really think there is any room for being cheap or getting all that for less than $495?

      Not sure what country you live in but in the US opticians make six figures and require a graduate degree to get licensed. You really think they are going to do a custom lens coating job for less than a few hundred dollars a pop?

      The metabones bmpcc ef adapter is not just an optical marvel. It is also as far as I can tell the only semi-reliable way to use Canon's excellent IS on a bmpcc. There is a lot of electrical engineering that goes into that speedbooster. I'm sure they are making a nice profit on it but I doubt someone can pull off what they have for a cheap price. Honestly can you even control the lens' aperture on any of these knock off speedboosters?
      Wow, do you talk to everyone on here like a condescending dick or just me? You're either a really quiet dude in real life or a really obnoxious know it all who must be a pain in the ass to work with.

      You can buy all the shit you want, I don't really care. Did you write the bible on the blackmagic? I don't see it in print anywhere? Oh, that must be because nobody wants to read it.

      My friend's an optician, I'd rather ask him and get a polite answer than listen to you talk out of your ass.

      If you need IS, you probably shouldn't be shooting so much handheld while you take pictures of the ocean. And yes, you can control the aperture on the Nikon boosters.

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      • #18
        Actually the latest version of the Metabones SB for BMD cameras that works with Canon EF with full electronics are $659 and depending were you are in the world you expect additional import fee. However as others have said for paid professional work it pays for itself and the camera itself quite often is not the most expensive piece of kit. Then if you are shooting on a budget or as a hobby you need to take into account whether the cost of the SB meet your need over cheaper albeit inferior alternative.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by federer_express View Post
          But buying an adapter that is same price as the camera?
          It isn't the same price. It is about half the price. I paid $1000 for my Pocket camera.
          I paid about $750 for my Sigma 18-35mm and under $500 for my Speedbooster. Plus IR Cut and ProND's, a Rode mic, a cage and a Loupe viewfinder. This is what it costs to rig out this superb little camera.
          And I'm not using this for paid work (yet).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by federer_express View Post
            Originally posted by VidShooter View Post
            For an ideal Blackmagic pocket setup light will pass through a UV/IR filter, ND filter, lens, speedbooster, +/- mosaic aliasing/moire filter. With that many air/glass interfaces from a myriad of manufacturers you really think there is any room for being cheap or getting all that for less than $495?
            You can buy all the shit you want, I don't really care. Did you write the bible on the blackmagic?
            Maybe it's a language issue. "Ideal" doesn't mean the minimum. If I wasn't clear I apologize. I was merely illustrating that your statement that accessories shouldn't cost more than a camera body is not supported by the collective experience of this forum. You can call me a "dick" and accuse me of thinking I wrote the "Bible" or whatever but that doesn't change the facts on the ground. You can go back and read film photography books from the 1950s or you can watch youtube videos about the latest 4k camera. What you will find is a bunch of people agreeing with the statement I made.

            You really need to read the forum before posting these diatribes. We already had a lengthy and intense debate about what the minimum BMPCC setup should be. I'll let you in on one of the spoilers. I was actually one of the people with a lower estimate of cost of ownership. So if you are calling me a "dick" or saying I have some kind of messiah complex well you are pretty much saying even worse about the rest of the forum members. And I'm actually going to make a thread about my experiences so far with revised costs of ownership. I honestly think, for me, they are going to be higher than my initial estimates. And you know what? It doesn't matter. I can say I was wrong and you were right. It doesn't cost you anything. I don't care about pride. What I care about is posting accurate information on this forum so the next guy has realistic information to work with.

            Originally posted by federer_express View Post
            My friend's an optician, I'd rather ask him and get a polite answer than listen to you talk out of your ass.
            I'm a professional. Every so often so called friends ask me for inappropriate stuff too. I politely tell them no and move them out of the friend column.

            Anyway in your original statement you said, take it to an optician. You did not say, I have a friend who is an optician. If this guy is willing to do it for free just because he likes you then good for you. None of us have the clairvoyance to know who has an optician friend who works for free. You shouldn't fault us for that. You should have started a thread saying, I have an optician friend who is in the habit of coating my lenses for free. You would have gotten very different responses. You have to ask the right question to get a useful answer. It looks like you made up your mind already so good luck. Let us know if your friend's free work solves your problem.

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            • #21
              Ironically it was the OP that had problems with the cheap speedbooster. When it is explained why, they lash out with offensive name calling.

              Originally posted by federer_express View Post
              in bright sunlight, it doesn't matter where I point it; I get a strong flare in the middle of the lens.
              Thanks,
              Federer_Express

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              • #22
                Originally posted by VidShooter View Post
                Maybe it's a language issue. "Ideal" doesn't mean the minimum. If I wasn't clear I apologize. I was merely illustrating that your statement that accessories shouldn't cost more than a camera body is not supported by the collective experience of this forum. You can call me a "dick" and accuse me of thinking I wrote the "Bible" or whatever but that doesn't change the facts on the ground. You can go back and read film photography books from the 1950s or you can watch youtube videos about the latest 4k camera. What you will find is a bunch of people agreeing with the statement I made.

                You really need to read the forum before posting these diatribes. We already had a lengthy and intense debate about what the minimum BMPCC setup should be. I'll let you in on one of the spoilers. I was actually one of the people with a lower estimate of cost of ownership. So if you are calling me a "dick" or saying I have some kind of messiah complex well you are pretty much saying even worse about the rest of the forum members. And I'm actually going to make a thread about my experiences so far with revised costs of ownership. I honestly think, for me, they are going to be higher than my initial estimates. And you know what? It doesn't matter. I can say I was wrong and you were right. It doesn't cost you anything. I don't care about pride. What I care about is posting accurate information on this forum so the next guy has realistic information to work with.



                I'm a professional. Every so often so called friends ask me for inappropriate stuff too. I politely tell them no and move them out of the friend column.

                Anyway in your original statement you said, take it to an optician. You did not say, I have a friend who is an optician. If this guy is willing to do it for free just because he likes you then good for you. None of us have the clairvoyance to know who has an optician friend who works for free. You shouldn't fault us for that. You should have started a thread saying, I have an optician friend who is in the habit of coating my lenses for free. You would have gotten very different responses. You have to ask the right question to get a useful answer. It looks like you made up your mind already so good luck. Let us know if your friend's free work solves your problem.
                Thanks for the attitude-less reply. The sarcasm wasn't useful and by no means was I ever really serious about taking it to an optician, but rather a cute idea that I thought I would throw across the minds of the forum. I have this Nikon booster and it really is great indoors and in the shade as I stated before, and if I could use it in bright sunlight, it would be perfect then I wouldn't have to switch lens around when I go inside and out.

                Originally posted by chrisso View Post
                Ironically it was the OP that had problems with the cheap speedbooster. When it is explained why, they lash out with offensive name calling.
                Haha, I thought I made it clear that I didn't appreciate vidshooter's attitude and condescension. Vic told me it was the coating, so I thought maybe an optician would have something that could help with the flare. I'm going to talk to my friend anyways as he knows more about optics and coatings.

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                • #23
                  Can you do a test with and without the speed booster? Maybe its the quality of your lens. But Vic is right, if you don't have the $$$ at the moment for Metabones, Rj Turbo 2nd version with the mount is an option.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by federer_express View Post
                    Hi guys,

                    Anyone have some experience with these Chinese Speedboosters? I got one with my BMPCC and it works great indoors and in the shade, but in bright sunlight, it doesn't matter where I point it; I get a strong flare in the middle of the lens. I'm not sure if it's Zhonyi or RJ. But it's a Nikon with Speedbooster and the lens is 18-50 Sigma 2.8.

                    Thanks,
                    Federer_Express
                    I want to point you to this website.... It deals with the flare you are talking about in the middle of the image, however it's talking about IR photography. The same concepts apply, and it's more than likely internal reflections that your seeing bounce around due to manufacturing either in the lens or the speed booster. Lens coatings are a big proponent in this. I have some great older glass, but if I try and push it to far, or ND too much, I always end up with a center hotspot.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Andre W. View Post
                      I want to point you to this website.... It deals with the flare you are talking about in the middle of the image, however it's talking about IR photography. The same concepts apply, and it's more than likely internal reflections that your seeing bounce around due to manufacturing either in the lens or the speed booster. Lens coatings are a big proponent in this. I have some great older glass, but if I try and push it to far, or ND too much, I always end up with a center hotspot.
                      Thanks, but which website do you speak of?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by federer_express View Post
                        Thanks, but which website do you speak of?
                        Any. Just put "IR" and "hotspot" into the google machine and tons of links come up.

                        Face it. No one considers buying a garbage lens and trying to fix it with DIY practical... let alone economical.

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