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  • #31
    Originally posted by PappasArts View Post
    John- Do you know if there will be an in camera Pixel mapping procedure for dead pixel issues that can happen?

    Most manufactures have included that as a routine now in camera that once was a service repair. However, that can be a bit much for service getting flooded for what is a simple routine done in camera.


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    Yes. Every sensor comes from the sensor factory with dead pixels. it's SOP for most cameras to have a routine to detect and eliminate the dead pixels on power up. This will also calibrate the black levels to get the most noise free pictures.

    BTW it's normal for more dead pixels to show up over time. IN fact, travelling at altitude a lot (radiation levels are higher) can lead to accelerated dead pixels....

    jb

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    • #32
      Wow... the grading possibilities are so exciting. Great work!
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      • #33
        do all these grades presented in this thread come from a jpeg? Or from a dng?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by John Brawley View Post
          Yes. Every sensor comes from the sensor factory with dead pixels. it's SOP for most cameras to have a routine to detect and eliminate the dead pixels on power up. This will also calibrate the black levels to get the most noise free pictures.
          BTW it's normal for more dead pixels to show up over time. IN fact, travelling at altitude a lot (radiation levels are higher) can lead to accelerated dead pixels....
          jb

          Thanks for the answers..

          John is there any reason why the BMC can't do 2432 x 1366/2.5K size frame out to ProRes too, as it does in RAW mode?

          Though it's a non standard frame size, it would be good if you could record 2.5K size frame to ProRes for achieving an over sampled
          image, however not always needing to have shoot in RAW mode to get that larger frame size.

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          • #35
            It might happen. But what's the point ?

            1920 make sense for ProRes. You realise that the camera is scaling the image...it's already oversampled.... If you want to the full size, then DNG ? What's the advantage of full frame ProRes ???

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            • #36
              Originally posted by randyman View Post
              Just for grins, here's a completely different, more clinical pass on the same image. Tried to pull detail out of the highlights and shadows, abandoned warmth for balance. Hard to do with a jpg, but just wanted to try. Wound up looking awfully sterile in comparison.

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              Love your image. That's an awesome starting point. Very nicely balanced, man!

              You could then work from that to move the grade in any direction you wanted to creatively match the mood of the film.

              With the flat look and extremely slight green tint / desaturation it reminds me of good Alexa footage.

              Seriously, that's sweet. You've got a great eye. What was your process? It would be really helpful to everyone.

              And post a full-res version so folks can use that as kicking-off point for fun grades if they don't feel like getting the footage balanced first Although, they should practice it I guess...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by manakiin View Post




                Lovely.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by HansSteinert View Post
                  Lovely.
                  Yes - agree!

                  Originally posted by Phil999 View Post
                  do all these grades presented in this thread come from a jpeg? Or from a dng?
                  JPEG!

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                  • #39
                    mark grade.jpg
                    My Take

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by John Brawley View Post
                      It might happen. But what's the point ?

                      1920 make sense for ProRes. You realise that the camera is scaling the image...it's already oversampled.... If you want to the full size, then DNG ? What's the advantage of full frame ProRes ???

                      jb
                      I disagree. Not wanting to deal with the extra workflow and data restrictions of DNG, does not automatically mean that one would not want 2.5K resolution.
                      Personally I don't need raw, and Prores is the perfect balance of quality and files size for me. I'd like to be able to master my films at 2k (2048px) and it seems like shooting DNG will be the only way to do that. I really hope that's not the case though and we can shoot 2.5k Prores onto the SSD.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by John Brawley View Post
                        It might happen. But what's the point ?

                        1920 make sense for ProRes. You realise that the camera is scaling the image...it's already oversampled.... If you want to the full size, then DNG ? What's the advantage of full frame ProRes ???

                        jb
                        To have the most options. I believe that many would choose 2432 x 1366 over 1920x1080 for the master camera files to be stored away. As to why shoot ProRes, is the smaller file sizes. ProRes for a acquisition format is very good- I would choose it for the majority of the time.

                        My thought is that if you get the 2432 x 1366 for RAW mode, why not for the ProRes mode too. That ProRes bit rate is so high that it deserves to have the most pixels you can throw at it, that being 2432 x 1366 ( 2.5K ). Why throw away extra pixels if you don't need to- Once there gone, there gone. Hopefully BM will offer ProRes mode in both sizes 2432 x 1366 ( 2.5K ) and 1920x1080 (1.9K). Having options are always good- The more the better.


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                        Last edited by PappasArts; 11-20-2013, 12:43 PM.

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                        • #42
                          This camera continues to amaze. I've got my order in and simply cant wait for July to roll around - wonder if this is how all those early Red adopters felt...minus the crushing mental anguish of having thrown down so much cash ;-)
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Washington Irving View Post
                            I disagree. Not wanting to deal with the extra workflow and data restrictions of DNG, does not automatically mean that one would not want 2.5K resolution.
                            Personally I don't need raw, and Prores is the perfect balance of quality and files size for me. I'd like to be able to master my films at 2k (2048px) and it seems like shooting DNG will be the only way to do that. I really hope that's not the case though and we can shoot 2.5k Prores onto the SSD.
                            Exactly. Just cause you decide to shoot in ProRes ( which is no slouch ) you can't have a 2.5K frame. However why is RAW mode the only one that would be a 2.5K frame size? I'm glad DSLR's don't work like this. They give you the frame sizes, and you choose your compression scheme whether raw or not. 2.5K or 1920x1080 (1.9K) should be a frame size choice, then second the compression scheme is selected- the two should not be tied together.

                            Not everyone wants to shoot RAW, it's not practical for a lot of work- the file sizes are insane for big projects. However most would like the 2.5K frame size option with ProRes as the codec. Hopefully BM does this..

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                            Last edited by PappasArts; 11-20-2013, 12:42 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Here's my attempt... more like a "commercial" contrasty look than a feature film look.

                              Still... looking at what everyone else posted I immediately notice that they got lots more highlight detail where the sun hits the wooden cabinet. You guys brought out amazing details... which I now wish were in mine.

                              Darn it! Should... go... and... fix. But am going to sleep instead.

                              RE: side topic of ProRes / DNxHD at >1080p... interesting debate - maybe start a thread? Feature requests thread? 2.5K ProRes / DNxHD sounds nice in some situations. Especially if Blackmagic does a 4K 60fps cam down the road - that might tax even a fast SSD unless they do some compression on the RAW file. Then again, Alexa only gives you the option for 1080p ProRes / DNxHD or 2.8K RAW - there is no 2.8K ProRes / DNxHD option. So if we have the same options as Alexa, that sounds OK to me



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                              Last edited by Bruce Allen; 04-25-2012, 02:02 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by PappasArts View Post
                                Exactly. Just cause I decide to shoot in ProRes ( which is no slouch ) you can't have a 2.5K frame. However why is RAW mode the only one that would be a 2.5K frame size. I'm glad DSLR's don't work like this. They give you the frame sizes, and you choose your compression scheme whether raw or not. 2.5K should be a frame size choice, then second the compression scheme choosen- the two should not be tied together.
                                Any chance you could just mention it to BM John? I would consider it a personal favour

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