Pieces. A new selection of footage.

[Brad Ferrell]

so there is no 24P footage yet. ok.

[razz16mm]

25 FPS is the dominant frame rate in this mart of the world. And the majority of the world if you're not shooting specifically for Television.

It's only 4% faster than 24 FPS and you don't have of the stupid cadence 3:2 garbage that 60Hz 30 FPS / 24 fps markets have.

The camera shoots 24, 25, and 30 FPS.

jb

I absolutely loathe 3:2 pulldown for 24 to 30 conversion. Used to shoot 16mm film for TV at 30fps whenever I possibly could just to avoid it. Especially in NTSC analog video days, a frame for frame transfer produced much better results.

[Cinema-E]

25 FPS is the dominant frame rate in this mart of the world. And the majority of the world if you're not shooting specifically for Television.

It's only 4% faster than 24 FPS and you don't have of the stupid cadence 3:2 garbage that 60Hz 30 FPS / 24 fps markets have.

The camera shoots 24, 25, and 30 FPS.

jb

I am aware of this , my country follows the european standard i have been shooting 25fps with my dvx 102
and the shots compared to 24fps was very close, but here there is a huge difference between the two

maybe its just me , I dont know but when I saw your first beach footage under the sun set, I said to my self this is no way coming out of a digital camera I mean yeah the DR was crazy and all that but the motion of the waves hitting the rocks man when I saw that I was completely taken away by it
however with this footage here I thought it was shot in 30p to have this look !, maybe the shutter speed has something to do with it ?.

thanks for your time any way .

[Yaso]

Well, 25 fps is also the TV standard in Germany. When we shot my theatrical shortfilm, we had to convert it and ran into massive problems -- mostly due to inexperience and the tight schedule.

Appearantly, with the new SMPTE DCP standard, 25 fps is possible. But not all cinemas have it yet, right?

[Kevin Marshall]

It shoots 23.98p, 24p, 25p, 29.97p, 30p to be precise (straight off the website).

NTSC is actually whole framerate/1.001. Whole bunch of stuff to do with why they did that. Hence the 23.976, 29.97 and 59.94fps framerates. Not sure about the difference between 23.976 and 23.98 but hey.

23.976 vs. 23.98 is just rounding. 29.97 is similarly rounded from a impractically longer decimal.

[RyGuy]

NTSC isnt 24/60, its 29.97/59.94 (30/60 roughly)

23.976 is more a general cinematic standard. The reason SOME people prefer this frame rate is that it makes converting to NTSC and PAL standard rates easier - allowing for a more global compatibility.


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Oh my bad you're right. Its 4am here and I'm up late working to finish an edit. Now I'm scared what my edit will look like when I look at it the next day haha! As you were gents.

[nickjbedford]

It shoots 23.98p, 24p, 25p, 29.97p, 30p to be precise (straight off the website).

NTSC is actually whole framerate/1.001. Whole bunch of stuff to do with why they did that. Hence the 23.976, 29.97 and 59.94fps framerates. Not sure about the difference between 23.976 and 23.98 but hey.

[John Brawley]

I preordered it just because of the motion in your early footage and ofcourse the DR

what went wrong here ?, the 25fps only ? or there is something else?! .

25 FPS is the dominant frame rate in this mart of the world. And the majority of the world if you're not shooting specifically for Television.

It's only 4% faster than 24 FPS and you don't have of the stupid cadence 3:2 garbage that 60Hz 30 FPS / 24 fps markets have.

The camera shoots 24, 25, and 30 FPS.

jb

[Tom]

PAL standards, which is used across most of the world, follows 25/50fps. If anything, the NTSC 24/60fps standard common in 'merica and few other select countries is the oddball.

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NTSC isnt 24/60, its 29.97/59.94 (30/60 roughly)

23.976 is more a general cinematic standard. The reason SOME people prefer this frame rate is that it makes converting to NTSC and PAL standard rates easier - allowing for a more global compatibility.


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[RyGuy]

I preordered it just because of the motion in your early footage and ofcourse the DR

what went wrong here ?, the 25fps only ? or there is something else?! .

PAL standards, which is used across most of the world, follows 25/50fps. If anything, the NTSC 24/60fps standard common in 'merica and few other select countries is the oddball.

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[Cinema-E]

25FPS is the frame rate that's used in this part of the world by and large.

We only shoot 24FPS if it's specifically going into a cinema environment.

jb

I preordered it just because of the motion in your early footage and ofcourse the DR

what went wrong here ?, the 25fps only ? or there is something else?! .

[Taikonaut]

Maybe not relevent in filming as I never tried but I use to have a polorizer filter call "Moose filter" for stills photography that protects highlights bringing out the clouds and warm the landscape without any effect on shadows, it does increase saturation but if you are shooting RAW you can dial that down in post production.

[John Brawley]

John, why are you shooting in 25p? Did you ever encounter problems with DCPs having 25 frames per second?

25FPS is the frame rate that's used in this part of the world by and large.

We only shoot 24FPS if it's specifically going into a cinema environment.

jb

[mattbatt]

mattbatt : i am sorry for my last reply to your posting , i thought that testing by vimeo compression is a wrong process and the compression may have cause this moire / aliasing artifacts , but you clearly were on to something that i and others missed ,and jb response clearly shows that your were correct ( thank you JB for the explanation ) , i tried afterwards to apply this screencapturing and enlarging of other frames that was filmed with red/alexa on details , and did not see those blue orange patterns

also agree with you and jb (that if it does exist and it is caused by not implementing of an AA filter the question still remains , is it offensive to the eye and my answer is - if no one else
have noticed it before the enlargement including me , than it must be a negligible issue and its not that bad

Good thought t.p. I certainly have not cancelled my order and will continue to wait in expectation. For me *personally* I saw it right away at 100% and was a bit disappointed. However, I will not be making projects for me, but for my target audience. In that sense, I do believe many will not notice. To me, this is a much larger issue than noise - something others on here notice but actually, I do not.

I guess our eyes go after different details.

All that to say, if the moire pattern rain-bowed and glistened like it does on the 5dmkII, we'd have issues because that movement does distract. What is truly obvious is that the resolving detail is amazing. I saw individual cloth fibers in pristine detail! I certainly believes it is resolving more detail than the GH2 IMHO.

At the end of the day, again, I'm an eager owner! I just want to be honest with the equipment, knowing strengths and weaknesses.

[Yaso]

John, why are you shooting in 25p? Did you ever encounter problems with DCPs having 25 frames per second?