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  • Another take on Pool Shark

    http://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/201...on-pool-shark/

    A bleach bypass look

    jb

  • #2
    Thanks John!

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    • #3
      Cool. No color shift at 0:39. Looks like it was a vimeo compression artifact.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RyGuy View Post
        Cool. No color shift at 0:39. Looks like it was a vimeo compression artifact.
        I'm not so sure. I wish that were the case, but if you look at :39, in the dark edge of the pool table at the bottom of the frame (sort of below the 8 Ball), you can see an area suddenly jump to a darker value. I was really hoping this wasn't a camera problem. I think the bleach bypass grade may be muting the problem. John Brawley states he plans to upload several other graded versions. We'll see how those look at :39. I'm still holding out hope that it's not the camera.

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        • #5
          This is fabulous, the footage from this camera holds up really well to color grading and am sure this will open up cinematography to whole new range of artists and technicians that otherwise would not have had access to this technology.

          Historically I have had access to low bit rate cameras and the images were almost impossible to modify to any great extent....just sucked, till now.

          As for the image change at 39secs, I am yet to see it....
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          • #6
            I don't know what happened in this bleach grade... but is no one else seeing all the aliasing popping up on the pool table and on edges everywhere...? None of that is present on the original version.

            Edit: looking at it again, it almost appears like scaling problem, the jagged edges are almost too large and uniform to look like aliasing.
            Last edited by Roman; 07-28-2012, 06:18 AM.
            Test footage Vimeo page: https://vimeo.com/romanalaivi

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            • #7
              Think this is worth reading, to understand the workflow and possible impact :-

              http://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/201...on-pool-shark/
              Lotsa Zeon thingos with thousands of cute cores...enough is never enough

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dvbrother View Post
                I'm not so sure. I wish that were the case, but if you look at :39, in the dark edge of the pool table at the bottom of the frame (sort of below the 8 Ball), you can see an area suddenly jump to a darker value. I was really hoping this wasn't a camera problem. I think the bleach bypass grade may be muting the problem. John Brawley states he plans to upload several other graded versions. We'll see how those look at :39. I'm still holding out hope that it's not the camera.
                That is so weird. But it is not in the same place as the original footage released. Could be a bit rate issue for vimeo or h.264?

                Also yah there is a lot more aliasing in this one. As in zero in the original. (but I have not looked at it on my TV yet as that is how John wants it looked at) Also the resolution looks less. Anywho, I've seen the first Pool Shark footage which looks insane, so whatevs.

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                • #9
                  If it wasn't for the fact that people have been pointing out the few issues in the videos, I honestly would never have noticed any of them. To me, that's a good thing, since an audience isn't going to go frame by frame trying to catch these things. As filmmakers, were all critical of our images, but still...$3000 and these are the images the camera puts out? Absolutely cannot wait for delivery of this camera (and never having to deal with DSLR cameras again)

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                  • #10
                    Guys i already mentioned in the post that the aliasing was introduced by the DPX conversion. It's not in my original version which was graded in Rsolve.

                    jb

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                    • #11
                      Looks great. Thanks John. And now let the uber analyzing by the "experts" at hand begin. It never fails. Let the cycle start.

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                      • #12
                        Here on out comments like the one above get zapped.

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                        • #13
                          To me I would wait until I got the original files to break down. Once the original files are released I'll be happy to give some Alexa Prores files to compare them too!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by John Caballero View Post
                            Looks great. Thanks John. And now let the uber analyzing by the "experts" at hand begin. It never fails. Let the cycle start.
                            haha! zapp
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                            • #15
                              "I did notice there were some differences in this material. For starters, there’s a few more “jaggies” compared to the first clip I uploaded. Now I’ll put this down to the workflow, because it was all very last minute at DP and we were grading on Baselight. The shots were first converted from ProRes to DPX because that’s their workflow. They were then rendered back into uncompressed QT’s and I then rendered 264′s from those." - JB's blog post.

                              Didn't catch this haha. Went straight to the footage. I assumed this was the cause, and never the camera. But thanks for showing different grades, "jaggies" and all!

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