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  • #16
    Originally posted by vicharris View Post
    Short answer boys, the Pocket is a better camera. Took me a bit to get my footing but my BMCC is a paperweight now or insert can that I can grab and pop off a shot. As soon as I get the speedbooster off it, I'm selling. Moire is just too awful for one.

    It's still hard to top the BMPCC shooting RAW with any camera under $5,000. It's damn good in low light too.
    INTERESTING.

    Anyone else with both care to share your take on this?
    Cameras: Blackmagic Cinema Camera, Blackmagic Pocket Camera (x2), Panasonic GH2 (x2), Sony RX100 ii, Canon 6D, Canon T2i,
    Mics: Sennheiser, AKG, Shure, Sanken, Audio-Technica, Audix
    Lights: Every Chinese clone you can imagine

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    • #17
      Vic-

      Thanks for posting and seems like you are off to a great start. I would you love to hear more about your experiences as you shoot this feature. I assume you are using speedbooster. (That 50 and 85 will get pretty long pretty fast without it) . Do you have a DIT on set to off load cards? Are you overwhelmed by the amount of data you are going through by shooting RAW? What is your battery solution ? Can we see your rig? How are you creating dailies?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DPStewart View Post
        INTERESTING.

        Anyone else with both care to share your take on this?
        I disagree to an extent. Then again I shoot mainly Prores with several cameras at a time. I think the sharpness is much cleaner on the BMCC thanks to the downsampling of the sensor. The pocket camera sometimes get jagged edges when things are VERY sharp on curved lines and you can't sharpen those shots any more in post. The BMCC just feels more solid in post. Due to the dimensions and weight, the camera also feels more substantional and stable when working on sticks. So I keep mine on sticks. However, for all handheld work, I stay exclusively with my Pocket cameras, where they absolutely shine.

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        • #19
          Now this I appreciate!, it's amazing what your capable of achieving with such a minimal lighting package and etc.. This is where true film making tactics come in hand to create a compelling image with so little. Also that actress on the last frame, looks to be the lovely Shannon Lark if I am correct.
          Raynor Shima

          Producer at LuchaGore Productions / Twitter
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          • #20
            Originally posted by vicharris View Post
            Short answer boys, the Pocket is a better camera.
            Preach! I keep saying this. Pound for pound, the pocket is BM's best camera. It seems difficult for some people to wrap their head around the fact that a $1,000 "pocket" camera can be A camera in a feature. It's been used as B cam on major features (Mad Max, Avengers, American Sniper)alongside the Alexa when clearly they could have went with a RED or the Canon C lineup. The super 16 sensor is magical, trust.
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            • #21
              Very good, Vic, especially given your constraints. One item I'm wondering about though regarding the lighting. Because you are realistically using overhead lights, for cinema purposes, is there a way you can get more fill on the faces or otherwise soften the shadows cast by the overhead lights? Perhaps even a little light on the camera to lighten wherever you are pointing when going in for close ups? It's looking like a very artistic piece of work, great colour and mood. I don't think a little more light in the facial shadows would kill your look, but you be the judge.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by thomasbroening View Post
                Vic-

                Thanks for posting and seems like you are off to a great start. I would you love to hear more about your experiences as you shoot this feature. I assume you are using speedbooster. (That 50 and 85 will get pretty long pretty fast without it) . Do you have a DIT on set to off load cards? Are you overwhelmed by the amount of data you are going through by shooting RAW? What is your battery solution ? Can we see your rig? How are you creating dailies?
                Thanks Thomas. I am using a Speedbooster but I do take it off and put a dumb adapter on with the 50 to get me as close to a 135 since I returned that lens. I might buy another one just to shoot the rest of this film.

                I'm pretty much doing everything at this point. Whenever I fill up a card, I run over to the station and start to dump it. That also gives the actors a time to relax and get some fresh air since it's so cramped in there. Day 3 we actually pretty much ran out of media due to a bottleneck on dumping. We had a lot of 3-5 min takes and that just tore through our cards. Think we're getting more cards.

                My battery solution is 130W Upower Vmount batteries. Been using them since these cameras came out. I hate the internal batteries on the Pocket.

                I'll grab a pic of the rig this weekend and dailies are just going through resolve for proxies.

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                • #23
                  Looks really good so far. Love the look.

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                  • #24
                    Looks good.

                    I have a BMCC and have never used a BMPCC, but in all honesty, I prefer the image that comes out of the pocket.

                    It's just more "milky." However you feel like interpreting that

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                    • #25
                      Day2. Grades not as harsh as the others but it will be Little clean for my taste and the film.

                      DreaGrain_1.55.1.jpg

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                      • #26
                        Oh shit! Draya is in this?
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by vicharris View Post
                          Thanks Thomas. I am using a Speedbooster...

                          This is why I think the Pocket kicks ass compared to the Cinema Camera. The speedboosted look you get from the pocket is damn hard to beat.
                          -Michael Beck

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mbeck View Post
                            This is why I think the Pocket kicks ass compared to the Cinema Camera. The speedboosted look you get from the pocket is damn hard to beat.
                            I use a speedbooster on my Cinema Camera, and since the sensor sizes are relatively similar the results are too.

                            I'm still quite interested in hearing exactly HOW the image differs between the BMCC and the BMPCC when compared in equal settings.
                            Cameras: Blackmagic Cinema Camera, Blackmagic Pocket Camera (x2), Panasonic GH2 (x2), Sony RX100 ii, Canon 6D, Canon T2i,
                            Mics: Sennheiser, AKG, Shure, Sanken, Audio-Technica, Audix
                            Lights: Every Chinese clone you can imagine

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DPStewart View Post
                              I use a speedbooster on my Cinema Camera, and since the sensor sizes are relatively similar the results are too.

                              I'm still quite interested in hearing exactly HOW the image differs between the BMCC and the BMPCC when compared in equal settings.
                              It might just come down to chroma noise handling and allowing more of the color to properly come through without being hindered by noise. The actual color / skin tones just come through stronger somehow. 2.5K seems to have a slightly thinner image, perhaps due to the noise.
                              Test footage Vimeo page: https://vimeo.com/romanalaivi

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                              • #30
                                Hey guys, I'd appreciate it if we keep this thread on topic. I mean it to be a look into a feature as we go shot on the Pocket, not a thread about technical reasons or evidence why I or someone else likes one camera over the other. If it turns into that I'm going to close and pull the thread. I won't let this turn into a bloated back and forth thread like most are here these days.

                                Hope you understand and thanks for all the positive responses about our little film. I'll post more stills once we get out of the damn dinning room. We have 45 pages to shoot just in that spot.

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