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Frank Glencairn
03-13-2014, 04:46 AM
Wow! I just learned, that "Dallas Buyers Club" shot only on 2 lenses and without any artificial lights.


The director remarks, "I now had a perfect opportunity to try to shoot an entire movie without artificial lights, using the Alexa digital camera. Like the RED, the Alexa offers a broad spectrum of colors and shadows in even the darkest natural lighting conditions."

"I felt that the approach was right for this project. The look and feel became that we were capturing reality; even though Dallas Buyers Club is not a documentary in content or structure, it could have that subtle quality. We shot the movie 100% handheld with two lenses, a 35-millimeter and a 50-millimeter.

http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=16894

Jorge De Silva
03-13-2014, 05:07 AM
Cool! :d

leemack78
03-13-2014, 05:14 AM
Does the Alexa shoot full frame?

cpc
03-13-2014, 05:31 AM
Does the Alexa shoot full frame?
No.

Here is another: To the wonder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1595656/)
Shot on film with no lights and looks breathtaking. Tree of Life also used almost no lights.

leemack78
03-13-2014, 05:34 AM
No.

Here is another: To the wonder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1595656/)
Shot on film with no lights and looks breathtaking. Tree of Life also used almost no lights.

So what does it shoot at?...what is 35mm and 50mm on the Alexa comparable to on the bmpcc?

Fluoro
03-13-2014, 05:57 AM
This doesn't surprise me. The low light ability of cameras like the Alexa means that you can shoot indoors and get some really nice shots without any additional lighting. Too many films are way over lit if you ask me (I've been guilty of this).

cpc
03-13-2014, 06:22 AM
So what does it shoot at?...what is 35mm and 50mm on the Alexa comparable to on the bmpcc?

35mm on the Alexa is roughly equiv. to 53mm on full frame. And 50mm is roughly equiv. to 76mm on full frame.
These will be matched by approximately 18mm and 26mm on the pocket.

nengtyas
03-13-2014, 06:52 AM
The reduced mild capacity regarding cameras much like the Alexa suggests that one could shoot indoors and find a number of actually pleasant photographs without any further lighting effects.
http://watchfree.me/42/w.png

innerspark
03-13-2014, 07:19 AM
Jared Leto mentioned in THR Roundtable the same thing, and the liberating experience of not having to always hit marks, but let the performance progress naturally. The make-up budget was also $500 and won an oscar. A wonderful movie.

JLdp
03-13-2014, 07:22 AM
Wow! I just learned, that "Dallas Buyers Club" shot only on 2 lenses and without any artificial lights.



http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=16894

dont be completely fooled though, because they were still using lighting, just practical ones, and replacing and balancing color temperature of existing fixture lights and using A LOT of lamps, that were dimmed, softened and color balanced…as well, a lot of reflectors and bounces as well. in some cases i hear it took longer to get that going then to place a few lights!

ChristianHubbard
03-13-2014, 01:30 PM
dont be completely fooled though, because they were still using lighting, just practical ones, and replacing and balancing color temperature of existing fixture lights and using A LOT of lamps, that were dimmed, softened and color balanced…as well, a lot of reflectors and bounces as well. in some cases i hear it took longer to get that going then to place a few lights!

this.

Just because they didnt hook up any 4k HMI's doesn't mean they didnt control the lighting in front of the camera.


edit:
though, this reminds me of the "Girl with the Dragon tatoo Vs. Skyfall" comparison in another thread.

AHLiu
03-13-2014, 01:42 PM
this.

Just because they didnt hook up any 4k HMI's doesn't mean they didnt control the lighting in front of the camera.


edit:
though, this reminds me of the "Girl with the Dragon tatoo Vs. Skyfall" comparison in another thread.

Christian, can you point me in the direction of that thread? Not sure how I missed it- huge fan of the cinematography of both films (though obviously stylistically different)

cpc
03-13-2014, 05:47 PM
this.

Just because they didnt hook up any 4k HMI's doesn't mean they didnt control the lighting in front of the camera.



That's a bit beside the point.
You do want to be in control as much as you can. You do want to shape light to your liking as much as you can. You don't want to rent and handle big lights. The fact that day interiors can be shot with no lights whatsoever, and that night interiors can be shot with practicals only is nothing to look down on. Quite the contrary. Managing practicals is something you will do with or without big lights anyway.

Joe Giambrone
03-13-2014, 07:39 PM
Good film (http://politicalfilm.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/dallas-buyers-club-2013/), and good to hear they just did it without needing an army.

Another natural light film I loved was:


http://youtu.be/f5UozqwA3KY


Shot on a DV cam, if only they had today's level of image. Still, it held up wonderfully when I saw it in the theater. The story was too engrossing to bother about the particulars.

ChristianHubbard
03-13-2014, 09:52 PM
Christian, can you point me in the direction of that thread? Not sure how I missed it- huge fan of the cinematography of both films (though obviously stylistically different)

not a whole thread, but there is a comparison here:
http://bmcuser.com/showthread.php?5555-Arri-Amira-(Arri-at-it-again)/page6&highlight=skyfall


That's a bit beside the point.
You do want to be in control as much as you can. You do want to shape light to your liking as much as you can. You don't want to rent and handle big lights. The fact that day interiors can be shot with no lights whatsoever, and that night interiors can be shot with practicals only is nothing to look down on. Quite the contrary. Managing practicals is something you will do with or without big lights anyway.
Exactly! I was just trying to emphasize this exact thing so that people didnt see the original post as "Well I don't have to light if I have a good enough camera."

Just asserting that there was still a lot of thought and time placed into lighting

Kemalettin Sert
03-14-2014, 12:15 AM
lol anybody believed this? saw some bts photos clearly they were using kinoflos celebs etc.

Bob Loblaw
03-14-2014, 07:50 AM
So what does it shoot at?...what is 35mm and 50mm on the Alexa comparable to on the bmpcc?

Rule of thumb is that Super16 is half of what Super35 is. So a 35mm & 50mm lens on a super35 sensor (the Alexa) would be a 17mm & 25mm lens on a super16 sensor (Bmpcc).

refocusedmedia
03-22-2014, 10:43 AM
Here is 15 minutes of BTS B-roll from the making of the film to see for yourselves


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AoNUJRztM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AoNUJRztM

J.F.R.
03-26-2014, 03:33 AM
Wow! I just learned, that "Dallas Buyers Club" shot only on 2 lenses and without any artificial lights.



http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=16894

I saw the movie and it looked beautiful, really nice cinematography and excellent movie. I would have never thought they didn't use any lighting, especially with so many indoor shots..... Not sure if I believe that, but man if they did that's just something we really need to see. I'm subscribed to the ICG magazine so I need to check if I somehow missed that article with the Dp of the film.

Needles to say I feel this Movie should have won the Oscar's, best film imo in recent years....



** And here's my answer
Emmy Award-nominated production designer John Paino did bring in practical, working lamps that were germane to scenes and added light.

*** I think the OP's title should reflect more of the truth, they possibly did not use any artificial lighting but DID use many practical lights placed by the Set Designer to help with exposure in many scenes......

vince gaffney
03-26-2014, 07:08 AM
Rule of thumb is that Super16 is half of what Super35 is. So a 35mm & 50mm lens on a super35 sensor (the Alexa) would be a 17mm & 25mm lens on a super16 sensor (Bmpcc).

You might mean 70 and 100.

starcentral
05-15-2014, 11:34 AM
FUD guys, absolute FUD.

There's a bit more to it if you read between the lines:


Emmy Award-nominated production designer John Paino did bring in practical, working lamps that were germane to scenes and added light
http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=16894



The director, whose credits include “Young Victoria,” had a no-frills set, including only source lighting to illuminate the scenes
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/directors-on-their-teams-jean-marc-vallee-talks-dallas-buyers-club-1200910242/


Amazes me that anyone would refer to this as "no lighting". Does a 'gaffer' need to be onset or is it somehow 'different' if a production designer plugs a few lamps in? What if the DP moves some actors closer to a window or towards a wall that will give more fill - is that not "lighting" anymore?

Any who knows what else really goes on on-set with lamp dimming, ND'ing, gelling, etc.. total BS man. Articles like this put flames in my heart.

Park Edwards
05-21-2014, 12:45 PM
I think the key words to observer are "artificially"