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sen9171nathan
11-13-2013, 08:46 PM
What do u think are the pros and cons of each system? What about functionality? Owners of these gimbals can post their videos and pictures of their setups here and provide feedback on their experiences.

Note Suwanchote
11-14-2013, 12:31 AM
here is my brother with the besteady one
http://i.imgur.com/gTNbQ9Ol.jpg (http://imgur.com/gTNbQ9O)
http://i.imgur.com/fetcJaol.jpg (http://imgur.com/fetcJao)
http://i.imgur.com/SWNNu5al.jpg (http://imgur.com/SWNNu5a)

We shot footage but it was the very first footage after everything was set up.
Tomorrow we will do some calibration via the software

https://vimeo.com/79279146

strancali
11-14-2013, 01:45 AM
Not bad at all Note! I'll set up my G5 tomorrow and test it out.

Note Suwanchote
11-14-2013, 02:00 AM
Not bad at all Note! I'll set up my G5 tomorrow and test it out.
Thanks. I find that their sofware kept crashing on me so I can't do any calibrations but it might be my OS. The G5 holds the BMCC?

strancali
11-14-2013, 02:14 AM
Yea it holds over 5 lbs. I think their latest footage was with a c300 and 16-35 lens.


http://vimeo.com/78843840

sen9171nathan
11-15-2013, 01:11 AM
cool video Mr.Note....now i am quite intereted to see how the G5 matches up. but the G5 does not have software right? Does the motors on the Besteady make much noise? by the way.....what ever happened to the be steady 4?

Note Suwanchote
11-15-2013, 01:30 AM
cool video Mr.Note....now i am quite intereted to see how the G5 matches up. but the G5 does not have software right? Does the motors on the Besteady make much noise? by the ay.....what ever happened to the be steady 4?
I don't believe its out yet
i'll post up some more footage in 15 minutes

4saken
11-15-2013, 06:11 AM
cool video Mr.Note....now i am quite intereted to see how the G5 matches up. but the G5 does not have software right? Does the motors on the Besteady make much noise? by the way.....what ever happened to the be steady 4?

the motors used in these kind of systems are brushless motors and don't make any noise at all.

sen9171nathan
11-15-2013, 07:57 AM
Thats good to know.

sen9171nathan
11-15-2013, 10:25 PM
Can u post a review and tutorial video of the Besteady when u have the time please?

rob baynard
11-22-2013, 01:47 AM
Here are my two cents where they probably aren't wanted:

The main thing that these systems lack is an iso-elastic arm. The Movi and others like it, were designed to make everyone a steadicam op, and take the "art" out of the steadyshot artform. The big problem is that the motors and gimbals lack a large range of motion needed for some shots, but they excel where steadicams cannot go, like through windows or handoffs. Ultimately, they are not a replacement of a steadicam and do little more than a really proficient glidecam operator can do with a $500 rig. I have noticed that nearly every professional house who pre-ordered a Movi is now selling it over on RedUser. They all cite that it doesn't do what a steadicam can do... and it's not even close. The up and down movement you get with glidecams without an arm is still prevalent in Movi systems... Sure it doesn't shake, but it doesn't give you that smooth on rails look that you really need. Try adding a mattebox, wireless follow focus and zoom controls, pl lens, and other accessories to your Movi, and even if it's a DSLR like the 1DC, it will have a hard time supporting the weight. Save your money, buy a steadicam and learn the true art of the steadishot.

stip
11-22-2013, 07:25 AM
That's the story any steadicam operator keeps telling. These gimbal devices are much faster to set up and can get very similar results in a lot of cases. They do not replace steadicam systems. I agree those devices lose much of their original idea when the whole unit get's too heavy.

But ALL cameras will get smaller and lighter in the future.
The gimbal stabilizers will get much more affordable in the near future.
Pocket camera paired with one of these devices is already a fantastic tool today, opening great possibilities.


So I don't agree with you telling people to buy a steadicam. These are different tools and fit different needs.

sen9171nathan
11-22-2013, 08:20 AM
I am not a steadicam guy. I have never used one for more than a few hours. I am waiting for my MOVI M10 and i would really like to test this theory out Mr Rob. I am gonna try using the MOVI and get a complicated shot. I will post it here soon for your comments and opinions.

Note Suwanchote
11-22-2013, 12:46 PM
I have the besteady one and I really like it

sen9171nathan
11-22-2013, 09:02 PM
Yeah Note, saw your video....it was pretty awesome. Did you post new videos after that?

Note Suwanchote
11-22-2013, 09:05 PM
I have a private one that is significantly better. I'll provide the link if I can tonight

sen9171nathan
11-26-2013, 09:29 PM
OMG!!! My MOVI M10 arrives today!!! I am so excited you guys....

sen9171nathan
11-27-2013, 02:42 PM
5559Well, this is what i have been up to tonight....will post footage as soon as possible.

strancali
11-27-2013, 03:53 PM
Well, this is what i have been up to tonight....will post footage as soon as possible.

5559

AWESOME!!!!!!! I just got a replacement part for my G5 today. Will install and mess with it later or tomorrow. Congrats on your Movi!

sen9171nathan
11-28-2013, 12:55 AM
Thanks strancali. On a side note i have been comparing the battery life and run times of the MOVI with the BMCC vs DSLR......the difference in time is not much if the rig is well balanced. It seems that the balancing has a direct effect on battery life. Once, i just threw the BMCC on the Movi and it balanced the Bmcc well on its own but my Battery life dropped from 4.5hrs per battery to just 2 hrs. Is it because the motors are constantly engaged to keep it in balance? Also, does anyone know where i can get flexible sdi cable(to run to monitor) for the BMCC, the thick ones seem to make my battery life and balance suffer.

strancali
11-28-2013, 03:33 PM
Hey, yes if it is not properly balanced, the motors will have to work harder. Looking forward to seeing some footage from you. It doesn't have to be great but I would love to see some first tries. Though it's a lot easier to get the hang of than a steadicam, it still needs a lot of practice to balance and move correctly. Not sure about the cable sorry.

StephenM
11-28-2013, 04:59 PM
Also, does anyone know where i can get flexible sdi cable(to run to monitor) for the BMCC, the thick ones seem to make my battery life and balance suffer.

I'm a big fan of Cine Coil cables. Flexible coiled SDI cables in two lengths 10-22" and 20-32". I use 'em from camera to monitor, transmitter or anywhere on the rig. Might be just what you need. B&H has 'em - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/895920-REG/CineCoil_bnc2bnc_10_10_Coil_Based_SDI_Cable.html

sen9171nathan
11-29-2013, 01:37 AM
Yup... those cables sure look good Stephen. But i think i will try to go and custom make the cables i need for the MOVI setup. I really don't like the excess getting in the way. Strancali, i am on a paid gig for the next week. Will post some footage if i get the time.

sen9171nathan
11-29-2013, 11:59 AM
Here is some first test footages. BMCC prores video iso 1600 25fps. Sorry, could only shoot at night after work. Will try to shoot something nice in the morning when possible. Very rough editing too. Basically just to show the motion.

http://youtu.be/IhUPz_LCwBo

Note Suwanchote
11-30-2013, 07:07 PM
Here's footage we shot 2 weeks ago
I can't put it up publicly for 2 reasons. One is that it's being entered in a competition that is not mine and 2nd--Resolve does not render with Radeon's correctly for me

https://vimeo.com/79648814

password is x

old firmware not the new one that was released

strancali
12-01-2013, 02:06 AM
Here is some first test footages. BMCC prores video iso 1600 25fps. Sorry, could only shoot at night after work. Will try to shoot something nice in the morning when possible. Very rough editing too. Basically just to show the motion.

http://youtu.be/IhUPz_LCwBo

Pretty good for first footage Nathan :)

sen9171nathan
12-01-2013, 03:06 AM
I am actually looking to shoot a properly planned action scene with this. Will try to get it done. I also want to see the stability with longer lenses.....hope the long lens claims by MOVI hold true.

Fresno Bob
12-01-2013, 05:06 AM
Here is some first test footages. BMCC prores video iso 1600 25fps. Sorry, could only shoot at night after work. Will try to shoot something nice in the morning when possible. Very rough editing too. Basically just to show the motion.

http://youtu.be/IhUPz_LCwBo
My goodness that's good

strancali
12-02-2013, 05:30 PM
Just got word that my GSTABI H10 will ship out this Wednesday! It's coming from Viet Nam so we will have to see when it gets here but I'm super stoked! I might be selling the Defy G5 if anyone is interested since I can't fly a scarlet/epic on it. Let me know if you guys want the G5 without the 2 months waiting period :)

sen9171nathan
12-02-2013, 11:03 PM
Seems like an interesting Product...cheers on your purchase and hope to see some videos from you strancali

strancali
12-02-2013, 11:59 PM
Thanks Nathan, I should have some really soon.

Matthew Bennett
12-06-2013, 07:02 PM
Here is some first test footages. BMCC prores video iso 1600 25fps. Sorry, could only shoot at night after work. Will try to shoot something nice in the morning when possible. Very rough editing too. Basically just to show the motion.

http://youtu.be/IhUPz_LCwBo

That was amazing. Moving forward it looked locked to rails… very nice. Great case for the MOVI

Dimi
03-18-2014, 11:22 PM
Here is some first test footages. BMCC prores video iso 1600 25fps. Sorry, could only shoot at night after work. Will try to shoot something nice in the morning when possible. Very rough editing too. Basically just to show the motion.

http://youtu.be/IhUPz_LCwBo


Definitely looks good, it removes that sea sick feeling you often get with steadicams. My only problem was that some of the movements, especially when changing directions felt very robotic if that makes sense, not very fluid.

sen9171nathan
03-27-2014, 01:06 PM
Hey guys, this is the first indian short film to be shot on entirely the Movi M10. Done as a warmup for my maiden feature film. Hope you guys like it. (no subs for the trailer though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-tjEhZIQQg - Trailer

strancali
03-27-2014, 06:38 PM
Hey guys, this is the first indian short film to be shot on entirely the Movi M10. Done as a warmup for my maiden feature film. Hope you guys like it. (no subs for the trailer though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-tjEhZIQQg - Trailer

Dude, I didn't understand a word but I cracked up haha. Nicely done, I love the Indian "james Bond" theme hahaha. Only thing, what camera are you using?

sen9171nathan
03-27-2014, 09:11 PM
We used the BMCC and the 7D.

strancali
03-27-2014, 10:15 PM
Yes my bad, I noticed your signature after haha.