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upstartmike
11-13-2012, 09:19 PM
Found this on Vimeo today...
https://vimeo.com/53407411

Brian@202020
11-14-2012, 02:47 PM
There isn't much impressive about those grades. All of those with the exception of the last one can be done with most modern cameras even a 5D. It's good to see more things being shot with the BMCC even if it is a test, but this really doesn't showcase the power of RAW.

PaPa
11-14-2012, 04:45 PM
Hmm, nice to see more footage, but I'm afraid there isn't much to say about these shots that is positive. Hard to see the benefit of raw when everything you're shooting is flat and low contrast, except for perhaps the man's face towards the end.

markmwilliams
11-14-2012, 04:52 PM
Flat and grey original footage becomes slightly less flat and grey graded footage. Not sure you can call that a colour grade. The only thing this really told me is that you can push the exposure on dark RAW files pretty far, but we pretty much knew that anyway

nickjbedford
11-14-2012, 06:05 PM
That's not a grade.

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1512/30508268.jpg

This is a grade.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8831/outxc.jpg

Soeren Mueller
11-14-2012, 06:16 PM
perhaps they were just going for a very bleak dystopian look :rolleyes:

jambredz
11-14-2012, 09:45 PM
Seems there's hardly any sun where these recent blackmagic camera users are. Im seeng more and more bleak overcast footage. Think they should just send me one in sunny Jamaica...I'll put it to good use.

Liam
11-14-2012, 09:53 PM
Seems there's hardly any sun where these recent blackmagic camera users are. Im seeng more and more bleak overcast footage. Think they should just send me one in sunny Jamaica...I'll put it to good use.

It's about 15 days until Summer is officially here in Australia, what beats the aussie summer? nothing! :D

thegregferris
11-14-2012, 10:28 PM
Seems there's hardly any sun where these recent blackmagic camera users are. Im seeng more and more bleak overcast footage. Think they should just send me one in sunny Jamaica...I'll put it to good use.


https://vimeo.com/53241666

Is this bright enough?

jambredz
11-14-2012, 10:36 PM
https://vimeo.com/53241666

Is this bright enough?

Sure is. The sky looks unreal!

Tatsuo
11-14-2012, 10:46 PM
Yeah and what amazed me is on the original DNGs you can get all the detail back in the white shirt so it doesn't blow out at all!

Carlos Huerta
11-14-2012, 11:26 PM
Nice test!

CaptainHook
11-14-2012, 11:45 PM
That's not a grade.

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1512/30508268.jpg

This is a grade.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8831/outxc.jpg

Seems to still have the slight "BMCC green tint" to my eye on my monitor though..? Is that just me?
I think i would place it closer to here (done in photoshop) as a starting point depending on the desired look (slightly depressing either way :D ):

http://f.cl.ly/items/0K1D170M1T0P2r460T2b/BMCC_PS.jpg

Kholi
11-15-2012, 01:03 AM
Nope. Not just you.

That's a pretty strong way to illustrate the natural green bias I'd say.

People should be able to spot it now no?

CaptainHook
11-15-2012, 01:39 AM
I guess everyone's just happy it's not DSLR footage (fair enough) so easy to overlook it?
After 30 seconds into most clips i'm used to it and just happy about most everything else i'm seeing about the image (taking into account the situations it's filmed in). :)

P.s Just read your Avery and Pete thread last week, trailer looks awesome man. Hows it all going?

nickjbedford
11-15-2012, 01:46 AM
P.S. mine wasn't an overly accurate grade. Just demonstrating some sorta actual grade.

Mattoid
11-15-2012, 12:53 PM
Seems to still have the slight "BMCC green tint" to my eye on my monitor though..? Is that just me?
I think i would place it closer to here (done in photoshop) as a starting point depending on the desired look (slightly depressing either way :D ):

No not just you. To my eye the vast majority of BMCC clips so far have a slight green tint. Screen grabs always look better when you move the midtones magenta-green slider about -10 or -15 points in photoshop colour ballance. The only way this could not be true is if my monitor has a green bias AND every single other video and photograph ever has a magenta bias.

wreck2
11-15-2012, 01:31 PM
The more I use Resolve, the more I just want to stick to Adobe Camera RAW... I hate the highlight recovery of Resolve. It's either "take ALL exposure down, and bump up shadows" or "turn highlights into a grey bleh using curves or gain controls." Much more work than Adobe's sliders of magic. :P

Kholi
11-15-2012, 01:35 PM
There are some Resolve training videos out there, that might be a good starting point.

Steve Kahn
11-15-2012, 07:20 PM
No not just you. To my eye the vast majority of BMCC clips so far have a slight green tint..
I would think that's the nature of shooting RAW. Things do come out looking green. In this example the field is a green field.... green would be expected.

As some have mentioned this is just a color correction issue. We need more examples with skin tones which were graded with the vectorscope skin tone diagonal.

CaptainHook
11-15-2012, 08:31 PM
We've had good skin tone examples with John's first footage and it was noticed then too. As far as the the "skin tone line" goes:

http://www.divergentmedia.com/blog/fullpost/humanae_project_fleshtones

Lorenzo Straight
11-15-2012, 09:42 PM
Very informative. Thanks CaptainHook.

morgan_moore
11-16-2012, 02:10 AM
As far as the the "skin tone line" goes:

Ive tried putting a caucasian/white exactly on the skin tone line

He looked chinese/yellow

I guess one needs to ask whose skin!

I think a little clockwise of the STL is right for caucasians

S

Frank Glencairn
11-16-2012, 03:07 AM
The more I use Resolve, the more I just want to stick to Adobe Camera RAW... I hate the highlight recovery of Resolve. It's either "take ALL exposure down, and bump up shadows" or "turn highlights into a grey bleh using curves or gain controls." Much more work than Adobe's sliders of magic. :P

Drove me nuts when I started to work with Resolve.
I found out, that I had the wrong workflow.

In the project settings, make sure you have set your timeline to BM Film, and use the BM Camera to 709 LUT,
than you have to set your highlights with exposure in the raw tab first and you are golden - no grey blobs.

Frank

Wuudi
11-16-2012, 04:45 AM
Wait, you set the clip to bmdfilm right, where do you set the 709 lut then?