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Sam.P
07-22-2016, 05:44 AM
Hello all

I need your help, knowledge and expertise! Just placed my order for the mini 4.6K but I am litterally a baby to this BM infrastructure (other than the BMPCC) :)
Feel free to chime please. It can only help.

So, as I said, I finally pulled the trigger on an URSA mini 4.6K! Now, and I need to know what do I need in order to make it work :)

Bugdet wise, I am at 16-17K minus the URSA kit which ran abour 7K...so roughly 10K...however, even if you think your suggestions will surpass the budget limit, please share them still as it might be a future purchase once I get more $$ in.

So, I am getting the follwowing kit:

- Blackmagic URSA Mini 4.6K EF
- Blackmagic URSA Viewfinder
- Blackmagic URSA Mini Shoulder Kit
- Blackmagic Design URSA VLock Battery Plate

Other than that, this is what I had in mind for the rest of the equipment:


Batteries: Any advice guys? Somebody talked to me abou IDX batteries?


Lenses: I am thinking about a Contax Zeiss set. I have yet to find a good deal but I am following the advice of fellow forum users. If I don't find any, I will just have to go with Rokinon Cine DS line (budget limitations)


Lights: 2x Aputure Cob 120t + 1 x PIXAPRO LED100D MKII + 3 x Aputure AL-M9 LED Video Light pockable


Wireless follow Focus/Regular Follow Focus: Any ideas. I remember reading somewhere in this forum users mentioning a great bang for the buck option but I can't remember the brand. I think one of the users was @jambredz :)


Storage: I was thinking about the Atoch C2S + 2 X 256 SSD . I do not know how to attach it to the camera but I am doing my research as we speak.


Mattebox: Any suggestions. Always, best bang for the buck type of deal.


Filters: I assume it kinda depends on the Mattebox/Lenses/type of job at hand but I assume there are ND must haves, IR, Polarizer, contrast control...Any ones you are using that you would recommend.


External monitor: Thinking about getting the BM 4K Assist...too bad, it has no Lut support. I would have loved one with Lut preview...if you know of any good deals out there, please shoot away.


Gimbals: DJI Ronin MX at this point but I am not sure it will support the URSA mini? I am doing my research as we speak. Other suggestions are welcome too :).


Wireless monitoring suggestions?



Voilą! Thanks in advance for taking the time and thank you NorBro for you know what ;)


P.S: Admins, I assumed this was the right section to post this thread, if not, feel free to move it.

greggreenhaw
07-22-2016, 07:54 AM
I friend got one of these you cant beat it for the price
http://www.adorama.com/ctmaw1.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwiMe8BRD0ts3Vtv-ohWgSJAAZurk1YM7fzvcIkg9j5Ybc-s06jd-D3HjH6ggALkbSg7PKIxoCs4_w_wcB

I would skip the BM accesories for these

https://www.amazon.com/SmallRig%C2%AE-Standard-Bridgeplate-Platewith-Clamps-1642/dp/B01D83I3TA

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1131469&gclid=CjwKEAjwiMe8BRD0ts3Vtv-ohWgSJAAZurk1_Yr38ChwPzRVc8y542YHrqiC2ONQeCnFW-wJQjPyIBoC0X7w_wcB&is=REG&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C91438732682%2C&A=details&Q=

http://woodencamera.com/Blackmagic-EVF-Modification-Kit.html

For wireless monitoring the ones that sandwich in between the battery and the camera are the most convenient but are overpriced.

MiguelFranco
07-22-2016, 08:44 AM
Go check the Shoot35 (http://www.shoot35.com/) mattebox and follow focus kits. The follow focus seems to be the best bang for the buck out there. The mattebox also seems pretty decent for it's price (also check their baseplates and accessories). People also seem to like the Lensse (http://www.lensse.com/) dual follow focus but it doesn't seem as sturdy and their site seems to be down.

You should check what SmallHD has to offer in terms of monitoring.

And don't cheap out on media. Just go for the C-fast cards on the Blackmagic approved list.

haavard
07-22-2016, 09:17 AM
Stay away from Lensse, if you get a good unit, then they're great, my follow focus unit quickly turned useless and the customer service have been mostly non responsive since the product launch.
It's possible they've gone out of business but kept the web shop up to clear out stock. Be careful.

Liam
07-25-2016, 01:42 AM
I just bought an URSA Mini 4k, so I'm in a very similar boat as yourself. Hoping to see some hidden gems posted here.

So far, for myself I'm going

Batteries: IDX DUO-150 and IDX VL-2PLUS Charger. I'm starting off with 2x Batteries, but I'm sure I'll get more in the future.

Lenses: I'm going to rig up 2x Lens Kits to start off with, I'm still deciding on which cine lens kit to go with, but I've got some ideas.

First Lens Kit:

Sigma 18-35mm F1.8
Sigma 50-100mm F1.8

Second Lens Kit:

At the moment, I'm either tossing up between

Rokinon Xeen Kit

14mm
24mm
35mm
50mm
85mm

SLR Magic APO HyperPrime Cine Lens

25mm
50mm
85mm

And which ever ones they may release to complete a kit, I think they're looking at 17/18mm, then hopefully a 35mm.

Then I'm also building up an old set of 35mm Still Lenses, as a personal project kit. I'm looking in all different directions for that, I have previously owned an extensive Canon FD Kit.

Lights: This is where I'm most out of depth, I'm keeping my eye on FloLight Bladelight LEDs, I've read a few reviews and looked at a couple of samples and I like what I see. I still need to do research in this area.

Follow Focus: I was leaning toward Tilta Follow Focus as I've used this a handful of times on a friends rig. It's very good, the only downside are the rings it comes with (if using Still Lenses), they are useless. They don't hold/engage properly and constantly slip. I'm highly considering the Shoot35 Follow Focus as well. Both priced very well, Tilta is a little more expensive, so I'm definitely considering the Shoot35.

Storage: I'm using Lexar 3400 128GB Cards. I'll most likely get a 256GB one as well. For a reader, I'm using Lexar CR1 USB 3.0 Reader.

Mattebox Tilta Carbon Fibre. I've never owned a Mattebox before and I basically want to buy a light (carbon), well built and durable Mattebox, so I don't have to get one for quite a while. I still need to do quite a bit of research for this, as it's not HIGH on the priority list, but it is on there.

External Monitors: I've owned SmallHD in the past and I'll most likely reinvest, great quality stuff.

I'm also looking extensively into CAME-TV rigs (instead of BMs shoulder kit). I see you've already bought it, but CAME-TV and other companies have great products to assist with rigging.

Sam.P
07-26-2016, 04:11 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys!

@Liam, I finally dropped the Contax lenses for now, I ended up ordering the Sigma 18-35 and 70-200 to start with. I will get primes once I get some work in.

For the batteries, I went with 1 IDX-150 and a cheaper one; MAXOAK 177 off Amazon.

Lights: I really wanted to get one of the FloLight Bladelight LEDs too, but being overseas, I would have a hard time having it shipped to where I am ($$$). On the other hand I ordered a PIXAPRO LED100D MKII from the Uk. I will let you know how that turns out. The aputure cob 120t are not available right now.

Follow Focus: Thanks for the suggestion! I looked into both the Tilta and Shoot35, they look really cool and a couple of people here on the forum have them! However, having ordered the Sigma 18-35 and 70-200, I wonder if they'll still work with still lenses.

Mattebox Tilta Carbon Fibre. I've never owned a Mattebox either :). I do not know what the difference are between 4x4 and others but I'll keep researching this until I find something that suits my needs. Will let you know If I do.

External Monitors: SmallHD seems to be the best option within reach but again for budget constraints, I went with the 4K Video Assist. I hope not to regret it.

Gimbals: I ordered the Ronin MX before cancelling. I needed to be sure that it would work with the 4.6K. If you know of any other gimbals that work with it, please share.

MiguelFranco
07-26-2016, 04:44 AM
Follow focuses work with every lens, provided they have a focusing ring and gear. I don't quite understand your concern here, you are good to go with either one of these.

Sam.P
07-26-2016, 05:39 AM
You are right Miguel; I need the proper focusing ring.
I had bought an Ikan follow focus for the 5DMKII back a couple of years ago and couldnt really use it on a couple of lenses...I guess, the focusing rings were not adapted and the lenses would slip when trying to pull focus.

Sam.P
07-26-2016, 11:32 AM
Liam, is this the Tilta mattebox you were talking about?

Liam
07-26-2016, 07:53 PM
I cant see what you posted..? But this is the Tilta Carbon Fiber Mattebox

4x4 Carbon Fiber Mattebox
http://tilta.com/shop/4x4-carbon-fiber-matte-box-mb-t03/

4x5.65 Carbon Fiber Mattebox
http://tilta.com/shop/4x5-65-carbon-fiber-matte-box-mb-t04/

I have absolutely no idea what the pro's and con's of the two different sizes are, I haven't done that much research yet.

Sam.P
07-27-2016, 02:16 AM
Sorry Liam, Forgot to add the link. I was referring to the first link you sent. If I understand, certain bigger lenses won't work with the 4x4 MB but man. That said, it seems expensive to me :( however, I guess if I want to use filters without having to buy one for each lens, there is no way around a matte box.

MiguelFranco
07-27-2016, 02:46 AM
The way I see it, 4x4.56 filters will give you more headroom, so to speak, with wider and anamorphic lenses, since they better mimic the wide aspect ratio you are likely to shoot in. I guess you would be good to go with 4x4 for 90-95% of the situations. You will want to see if that is reason enough to pay some more for both the matte box and the filters. If possible, test the products to see what suits you best.

EDIT: regarding follow focus rings, check the ones made by helicoptersean (http://followfocusgears.com/) or CoolLux (http://store.cool-lux.com/).

Christian Haake
07-27-2016, 04:59 AM
The way I see it, 4x4.56 filters will give you more headroom, so to speak, with wider and anamorphic lenses, since they better mimic the wide aspect ratio you are likely to shoot in. I guess you would be good to go with 4x4 for 90-95% of the situations. You will want to see if that is reason enough to pay some more for both the matte box and the filters. If possible, test the products to see what suits you best.

EDIT: regarding follow focus rings, check the ones made by helicoptersean (http://followfocusgears.com/) or CoolLux (http://store.cool-lux.com/).

I bought some from helicoptersean and they're great!

Sam.P
07-27-2016, 07:03 AM
I also found this one and a couple of good opinions online: http://petroff.ws/products/matteboxes/

rick.lang
07-28-2016, 09:03 PM
Liam, after the SLR Magic APO 50mm (available now in limited supply), 85mm (available September/October), and 25mm (available end of 2016 I suspect), the next lens will be 32mm (not 35mm) in early 2017. Followed later by 135mm and perhaps an 18-20mm TBD. Hope I have that right; dates slipped for the 25mm and 32mm from earlier projections. Gives me time to save up for the APO buying them one at a time. Not ideal for shooting today, but in another year, should be a great 4K prime set. In the meantime, I workout with the Fujinon in 2K.

Liam
07-28-2016, 11:01 PM
Liam, after the SLR Magic APO 50mm (available now in limited supply), 85mm (available September/October), and 25mm (available end of 2016 I suspect), the next lens will be 32mm (not 35mm) in early 2017. Followed later by 135mm and perhaps an 18-20mm TBD. Hope I have that right; dates slipped for the 25mm and 32mm from earlier projections. Gives me time to save up for the APO buying them one at a time. Not ideal for shooting today, but in another year, should be a great 4K prime set. In the meantime, I workout with the Fujinon in 2K.

That's really good to know, got lot's of time to save for them then!