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mbeck
10-09-2012, 03:23 PM
https://vimeo.com/51091933
https://vimeo.com/51091933


I went to the zoo with my family, so I took the blackMagic Cinema Camera along.

The lenses I used:
Canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS
Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 IS

I used IS on every shot, and used warp stabilization on 4 or 5 of the shots.

I had a monopod with me, but only used it about half of the time. most of this was hand held (naked camera, no rig).

I shot all of this in ProRes (Film) and graded with Colorista II in Premiere Pro.

Kyle Presley
10-09-2012, 03:28 PM
Dude, looks great!!!

Matthew Bennett
10-09-2012, 03:33 PM
Best handheld examples of the camera so far! Good handheld work, I can tell you're feeling your way around the camera really well now!

I still feel like the IS is kind of bumping or jerking back and forth every once and a while though... although I found this on my own 17-50 Tamron, it has a tendency to pull to the side suddenly. The 24-105 f4 Canon seems to resist that sort of movement really well I've found. It will be a good doc lens...

Matthew Bennett
10-09-2012, 03:34 PM
Oh and the grade looks great! The Rhino has really nice bleach kind of look....

mbeck
10-09-2012, 03:36 PM
Dude, looks great!!!
Thanks!



I still feel like the IS is kind of bumping or jerking back and forth every once and a while though... although I found this on my own 17-50 Tamron, it has a tendency to pull to the side suddenly. The 24-105 f4 Canon seems to resist that sort of movement really well I've found. It will be a good doc lens...
It may be.. but to me it feels more like it is reacting to shakey hands.. it seems to jump when I make a quick movement, or vary my pan too quickly.


Oh and the grade looks great! The Rhino has really nice bleach kind of look....
Yeah, I kove the detail you can pull out of these images!

mhood
10-09-2012, 04:00 PM
Wonderful Michael! Bravo! I might have to give this thing until Christmas instead of Thanksgiving. That CU of the swimming turtle was magnificent. :cool:

David
10-09-2012, 04:08 PM
Is the smudge on your lenses or the sensor?

nickjbedford
10-09-2012, 04:15 PM
That black monkey (or is it a primate?) has ridiculously long arms :p

Thanks for posting mbeck :)

Liam
10-09-2012, 04:17 PM
That elephant is so wrinkly, it looks really really old! Great footage, IS definitely got rid of the minimal jello like effect we've seen previously.

Lorenzo Straight
10-09-2012, 04:43 PM
Very nice, MBeck. Thanks for keeping us all smiling while we wait for our cameras.

mbeck
10-09-2012, 04:51 PM
Is the smudge on your lenses or the sensor?
Dust on the sensor. Swapping lenses at the zoo can be perilous!

mhood
10-09-2012, 04:54 PM
Was it hard to clean? How did you clean it?

mbeck
10-09-2012, 04:59 PM
Was it hard to clean? How did you clean it?
Can of compressed air. Just a quick tap and it was clean.

RyGuy
10-09-2012, 05:45 PM
Thanks mbeck, how to you find prores compared to raw in DR and grading? And what ISO were you at?

Jglucks
10-09-2012, 05:47 PM
Nice! And it's about time there's bmcc footage of a monkey.

David
10-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Good to know the dust was easily cleansed.

Paul Stephen Edwards
10-09-2012, 06:34 PM
...and what did you set the Zebras to? :) Good night everybody and tip your waitress!

Seriously. It's nice to see how it holds up as "camera about town." Zoos are a great place to get familiar with a camera or lens. How were the ergonomics of carrying it about? Did you use a neckstrap or carry it about in a case?

Sri
10-09-2012, 06:56 PM
Thanks mbeck. You just reminded me I've got to take my family to the zoo soon :-)

dustylense
10-09-2012, 07:19 PM
Damn. What I notice is the dust on the sensor! One shot had like 6 of them. You best get familiar with a company called visibledust.com to keep that sensor clean.

dustylense
10-09-2012, 07:21 PM
Can of compressed air. Just a quick tap and it was clean.
NEVER EVER EVER shoot compressed air onto your sensor! EVER EVER EVER!!!!!! visibledust.com.

mhood
10-09-2012, 07:44 PM
NEVER EVER EVER shoot compressed air onto your sensor! EVER EVER EVER!!!!!! visibledust.com.

I think he probably shot compressed air onto the infamous protective glass, not the sensor...if that makes any difference.

metaljesus
10-09-2012, 10:16 PM
NEVER EVER EVER shoot compressed air onto your sensor! EVER EVER EVER!!!!!! visibledust.com.

Because dustylense makes less money if you do that? :)

kbmediaonline
10-09-2012, 10:42 PM
Footage looks great!! Good job..IS def makes a diff

jpfilmz
10-09-2012, 11:25 PM
Nice shots of the Memphis Zoo. ;-)

PaPa
10-10-2012, 12:03 AM
Really nice footy. The camera has such range!

dustylense
10-10-2012, 12:58 AM
Because dustylense makes less money if you do that? :)

I make no money by telling one that blowing Dust Off into their camera is not a good idea. First, all you're doing is blowing the dust around in the camera body. Second, one spray of the freon on the sensor can kill it. I've had a sensor brush for over ten years and I bought it at visibledust.com. It's never failed me. SOrry I SHARE the link! Go ahead, blow "compressed" air into your camera. Have at it buddy. If you get even the smallest amount of the compressed freon on the sensor or "protective glass" you're gonna be looking at doing a wet clean.

Most sensors have protective glass. Fact is, Mbeck obviously had LOTS of dust IN his camera. It reminded me of my cameras without auto sensor clean back in the day.

Remove the dust. Don't push it around. I saw several shots in Mbecks video that he can't use because of dust.

So, Mbeck and some of you that can't risk dust spots in your shots. Look at a sensor brush http://www.visibledust.com/products3.php?pid=2. And if you have to on location, use an air bulb like this one in a pinch http://www.adorama.com/GTRAB.html?gclid=CNS6voXi9bICFQjZQgodOX0Aaw.

nickjbedford
10-10-2012, 01:12 AM
I make no money by telling one that blowing Dust Off into their camera is not a good idea.

I think he was making a joke relating to your username.

dustylense
10-10-2012, 01:34 AM
I think he was making a joke relating to your username.
Regardless. A couple shots there shows me that this camera is susceptible to dust ruining images. Lots of cameras we are used to have auto clean modes. First thing that hit my thoughts were of my sensor brush.

uknovaboy
10-10-2012, 02:07 AM
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!

Trevor Roach
10-10-2012, 08:51 AM
Thanks for the footage Michael! Makes me want to go to the city zoo here this weekend. haha

From what I see, ProRes looks just a tad bit less sharp compared to RAW. I would assume that's the case, but my mind might just be tricking me towards a biased look haha.

mbeck
10-10-2012, 10:42 AM
NEVER EVER EVER shoot compressed air onto your sensor! EVER EVER EVER!!!!!! visibledust.com.
Ha, I knew someone was going to get on to me about that on@ :) I know that compressed air can be dangerous, its what I had access to at the moment. I was very careful to not get the freon onto the sensor glass.


Nice shots of the Memphis Zoo. ;-)
Yep!




From what I see, ProRes looks just a tad bit less sharp compared to RAW. I would assume that's the case, but my mind might just be tricking me towards a biased look haha.
I really can't tell if it is or not.


How were the ergonomics of carrying it about? Did you use a neckstrap or carry it about in a case?
I used the neck strap. I was great! I really enjoyed carrying it around like a DSLR. The only thing that was tough was shlepping my bag of lenses and my v-mount battery around. It turned out that the internal battery lasted the whole time (we arrived at around 10:00 and left at 3:30). I was just careful to turn the camera off whenever not shooting. And being a little selective of what I shot. I should have left the v-mount at home. I think I will invest in the ikan system with a sony battery for these types of things.

Felix
10-10-2012, 11:59 AM
If there only was a standard zoom lens with IS like for super 35.
Something like 11 or 12-40 mm F2.8 IS.
Then the camera could be used as real runīnīgun solution but 17-50 is just not wide enough und 11-16 (Tokina) is almost a prime lens with itīs limited range.

Thereīs only the EF-S 15-85mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS USM

Brian@202020
10-10-2012, 12:12 PM
If there only was a standard zoom lens with IS like for super 35.
Something like 11 or 12-40 mm F2.8 IS.
Then the camera could be used as real runīnīgun solution but 17-50 is just not wide enough und 11-16 (Tokina) is almost a prime lens with itīs limited range.

Thereīs only the EF-S 15-85mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS USM

If you have money you could use this (http://www.abelcine.com/store/HDx2-B4-PL-Optical-Adapter/) and this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adapter-F-PL-movie-lens-to-Canon-EOS-5D-MKII-5D-MKII-7D-/150899223928?pt=US_Lens_Adapters_Mounts_Tubes&hash=item23224b6d78) for the EF BMCC or this (http://www.abelcine.com/store/HDx2-MFT-B4-MFT-Optical-Adapter/) for the MFT BMCC in conjunction with a standard HD broadcast lens.

mbeck
10-10-2012, 12:22 PM
If there only was a standard zoom lens with IS like for super 35.
Something like 11 or 12-40 mm F2.8 IS.
Then the camera could be used as real runīnīgun solution but 17-50 is just not wide enough und 11-16 (Tokina) is almost a prime lens with itīs limited range.

Thereīs only the EF-S 15-85mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS USM

I don't know.. I find the 17-50 to be great for 98% of the shots you would get in a run and gun situation. carrying the tokina around for the occasional shot is not too bad.

Felix
10-10-2012, 03:07 PM
I use the 17-50 on my super 35 camera and itīs just about right on the wide end. On the BMCC 17 mm is like 27mm on Super 35. Thatīs almost a portrait focal length^^

Liam
10-10-2012, 05:50 PM
I use the 17-50 on my super 35 camera and itīs just about right on the wide end. On the BMCC 17 mm is like 27mm on Super 35. Thatīs almost a portrait focal length^^

27mm is portrait focal length? sorry can't say I agre with that at all. 50mm is definitely the start of portrait focal. 27 is wide.

morgan_moore
10-10-2012, 05:56 PM
A 27mm on the BMC has a FOV of 32 degrees
A 50mm on a 5d has a FOV of 39 degrees
A 35 on S35 has a FOV of 39 degrees

How is a 27 wide?

Edit I see 27 on S35, yep - almost a portrait but not quite

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Peter J. DeCrescenzo
10-10-2012, 06:09 PM
If you have money you could use this (http://www.abelcine.com/store/HDx2-B4-PL-Optical-Adapter/) and this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adapter-F-PL-movie-lens-to-Canon-EOS-5D-MKII-5D-MKII-7D-/150899223928?pt=US_Lens_Adapters_Mounts_Tubes&hash=item23224b6d78) for the EF BMCC or this (http://www.abelcine.com/store/HDx2-MFT-B4-MFT-Optical-Adapter/) for the MFT BMCC in conjunction with a standard HD broadcast lens.

Hi Brian: Thanks for the links. Those are cool adapters.

Am I misremembering, or isn't it also possible to use a wide & fast 2/3" broadcast lens that has a built-in 2x doubler in it, together with a relatively simple/inexpensive mechanical B4-to-m43 lens mount adapter (plus some way to power the lens servo), to get servo-zoomy goodness on a m43 cam? Or will that not cover the BMCC's smaller-than-GH2 sensor no matter what?

Felix
10-10-2012, 07:35 PM
Hmm, just checked the Abel Cine FOV calculator.
In the old days I was using the 20 mm F1.7 on my GH2 handheld and a 17mm on the BMCC would be wider. Didnīt expect that.

Brian@202020
10-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Hi Brian: Thanks for the links. Those are cool adapters.

Am I misremembering, or isn't it also possible to use a wide & fast 2/3" broadcast lens that has a built-in 2x doubler in it, together with a relatively simple/inexpensive mechanical B4-to-m43 lens mount adapter (plus some way to power the lens servo), to get servo-zoomy goodness on a m43 cam? Or will that not cover the BMCC's smaller-than-GH2 sensor no matter what?

You are correct, you can do that also. The only issue is the built in doublers on most broadcast lenses can get soft on the edges since technically on a 2/3's chip the edges of the doubler aren't used. The quality of the outer part of that optic is just hit or miss. The Ablecine adapters are expensive but optically a better choice.

adam777
11-05-2012, 08:13 AM
Just saw this now. Nice work!

mbeck
11-05-2012, 09:20 AM
Just saw this now. Nice work!
Thanks!

Osslund
11-05-2012, 10:47 AM
This camera certainly has its own look. Was that your son towards the end?

mbeck
11-05-2012, 10:50 AM
This camera certainly has its own look. Was that your son towards the end?
Yep, and my lovely wife :)

Osslund
11-05-2012, 10:59 AM
I bet it was a fun day at the zoo! Just got a son myself (four months) and then you start to see babies all over.

mbeck
11-05-2012, 11:00 AM
I bet it was a fun day at the zoo! Just got a son myself (four months) and then you start to see babies all over.
Yep, its great.... once you get over not sleeping anymore :P

Osslund
11-05-2012, 12:47 PM
Sleep huu? A thing of the past ;)

adam777
11-05-2012, 03:30 PM
Your 1080p version made a difference::

https://vimeo.com/51087763

Osslund
11-05-2012, 05:50 PM
There's something with BMDCC footage I just can't put my finger at. It's elusive!

JoeJITSU
11-05-2012, 05:56 PM
It might be just me but at :40 I noticed 2 Ninja turtles having a conversation...Yea..Turtles were standing up.

mbeck
11-05-2012, 08:42 PM
It might be just me but at :40 I noticed 2 Ninja turtles having a conversation...Yea..Turtles were standing up.
lol.. those are statues :)

teh
11-06-2012, 03:17 PM
how do you like the tamron 17-50 with the camera? I'm planning on getting it + the tokina 11-16 as a budget zoom team.

Liam
11-06-2012, 04:35 PM
how do you like the tamron 17-50 with the camera? I'm planning on getting it + the tokina 11-16 as a budget zoom team.

Why not stick with the pair and get the tokina 16-50??

mbeck
11-06-2012, 05:10 PM
how do you like the tamron 17-50 with the camera? I'm planning on getting it + the tokina 11-16 as a budget zoom team.
I do like it on the BMC. I am not really fond of it on my DSLR, the edges get real distorted on the wide end on bigger sensors. On the BMC you dont see it.